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JLD 04-20-2006 12:20 AM

Hand Review: Need Help Post-Flop!
 
I was playing NL last night and lost a good bit of money. I think my pre-flop play is decent(15/3.4) but post-flop I think I am too tied to overpairs or second best hands (post-flop aggression of 3.75). While only 180 hands in this session, I think these stats are representative of my game. Love to get insight on how I should play these hands and get away when possible. Thanks!

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 ($25.15)
Hero ($22.90)
MP2 ($49.50)
MP3 ($49.10)
CO ($23.95)
Button ($43.30)
SB ($55.35)
BB ($43.95)
UTG ($53.60)
UTG+1 ($9)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.75</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $1.75.

Turn: ($5.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $0.5</font>, Hero calls $0.50.

River: ($6.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $6.25 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $6.25.

Final Pot: $18.75

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG+1 has Ac 6c (three of a kind, sixes).
Hero has Jh Qh (two pair, queens and sixes).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins $18.75. </font>

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (9 handed) converter

MP3 ($18.50)
Hero ($12.35)
Button ($52.20)
SB ($42.80)
BB ($43.75)
UTG ($51.85)
UTG+1 ($49.35)
MP1 ($20.55)
MP2 ($28.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 folds.

Flop: ($5.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5.5</font>, SB calls $5.50.

Turn: ($16.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.6 (All-In)</font>, SB calls $4.60.

River: ($25.70) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $25.70

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has 7h 7s (full house, sevens full of sixes).
Hero has 8c 8s (two pair, eights and sixes).
Outcome: SB wins $25.70. </font>

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (10 handed) converter

UTG ($20.30)
Hero ($40.25)
UTG+2 ($8.30)
MP1 ($46.75)
MP2 ($20.40)
MP3 ($33.60)
CO ($62)
Button ($127.40)
SB ($27.50)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, UTG calls $3, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($9.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets $5</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $0.

Turn: ($19.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($19.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $19.75

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Th Ts (two pair, tens and threes).
UTG+2 has Qd Qh (two pair, queens and threes).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins $19.75. </font>

Iconoclastic 04-20-2006 12:27 AM

Re: Hand Review: Need Help Post-Flop!
 
First things first- buy in for the max.

JLD 04-20-2006 12:33 AM

Re: Hand Review: Need Help Post-Flop!
 
Unfortunately, I already had..and lost part of my original stack. The hands are not necessarily in order from last night.

rebuyboy 04-20-2006 12:34 AM

Re: Hand Review: Need Help Post-Flop!
 
I push the turn in hand 1.

BalugaWhale 04-20-2006 12:34 AM

Re: Hand Review: Need Help Post-Flop!
 
then rebuy to keep yourself at full stack

JLD 04-20-2006 12:39 AM

Re: Hand Review: Need Help Post-Flop!
 
Do oyu rebuy everytime you lose more than 10%? 25%? of your original stack? How do you think about it?

BalugaWhale 04-20-2006 12:41 AM

Re: Hand Review: Need Help Post-Flop!
 
10% or less of my stack.

Basically, any time I lose a pot.

JLD 04-20-2006 12:41 AM

Re: Hand Review: Need Help Post-Flop!
 
Maybe not all-in, but my first thought when I reviewed the hand today was that I should bet more on the turn...his small bet into me on the turn just confused me I guess. Can you get away from this on the river?

matrix 04-20-2006 12:42 AM

Re: Hand Review: Need Help Post-Flop!
 
I rebuy when 5% of my stack is gone - some people here rebuy everytime they pay a blind....

terp 04-20-2006 12:54 AM

Re: Hand Review: Need Help Post-Flop!
 
hand 1: push turn. this is a classic turn blocking bet from a donk to try to complete his flush. look for these retarded minbets to ALWAYS be draws. punish these donks - push turn. however, as played, still call river because this is often a missed flush draw.

hand 2: you were shortstacked so this was bound to happen. if you're new to NL though, learn the 5/10 rule and you'll understand why SB's PF call was incorrect.

i tend to rebuy a little compulsively, especially if more than 1/3 the table has more than the buyin.

hand 3: again, this is different because a player in the hand is a shortstack. i sometimes check the flop here expecting UTG+2 to bet, UTG to call and i can then push. i can't imagine a shortstack checking behind there with any of the holdings he might have so this might at least get you some extra dead money.

versus someone with a real stack, i might let this go. though you've underrepresented your hand, if he were to come over the top of you on that flop, he's not doing it with whiffed overs most of the time - and that's about all you beat. if you think he is, 3bet all in or c/r all in on the turn if you're afraid of giving a free card. really this is just a trouble spot though with much of a stack and a mediocre overpair.


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