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Will221 03-29-2006 07:57 PM

I\'m lost and this is basic...
 
Absolute Poker 0.10/0.25, sorry about the convertor but I think it doesn'T work for absolute NL ring game, correct me if I'm wrong. No read just sat at the table, what's my plan when he raises me on the flop?


Seat 3 - BOWSKI222 ($18.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - KARELL11 ($13.25 in chips)
Seat 6 - MIBEAR ($8.90 in chips)
Seat 7 - SMELLYCATCH ($45.39 in chips)
Seat 8 - FOLDINGQUADZ ($10.05 in chips)
Seat 9 - MIKEYLIKEY ($29.30 in chips)
Seat 1 - HERO ($32.95 in chips)
Seat 2 - GAMBINO830 ($11.15 in chips)
KARELL11 - Posts small blind $0.10
MIBEAR - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to WILL221 [Qs Ac]
SMELLYCATCH - Folds
FOLDINGQUADZ - Folds
MIKEYLIKEY - Folds
HERO - Raises $1 to $1
GAMBINO830 - Calls $1
BOWSKI222 - Folds
KARELL11 - Folds
MIBEAR - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Qd 3h 6d]
HERO- Bets $1
GAMBINO830 - Raises $2.50 to $2.50
HERO?

PokerChobo 03-29-2006 07:59 PM

Re: I\'m lost and this is basic...
 
I like calling and then leading the turn to a non diamond here and folding to a raise. 3-betting with no reads on the flop doesn't seem to great for me, not to mention you make the pot huge when he just calls.

Khaos4k 03-29-2006 08:01 PM

Re: I\'m lost and this is basic...
 
I'd call, planning to bet a blank turn. He might be trying to snap off a CBet here. Also, bet the pot, not just 1/2 of it. He may have sensed weakness here, hence my theory that he's trying to snap your cbet.

Will221 03-29-2006 08:03 PM

Re: I\'m lost and this is basic...
 
My CB are usually 1/2 pot whether I hit or miss, should i bet more like 3/4 to full in either case?

relayerdave 03-29-2006 08:05 PM

Re: I\'m lost and this is basic...
 
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I like calling and then leading the turn to a non diamond here and folding to a raise. 3-betting with no reads on the flop doesn't seem to great for me, not to mention you make the pot huge when he just calls.

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This seems absolutely solid to me. While my initial reaction to the op's dilemma was to re-raise, I like your line much better...

Khaos4k 03-29-2006 08:05 PM

Re: I\'m lost and this is basic...
 
I like to bet 2/3 to a full. Gives better value for when I actually hit and I feel that it shows more strength, inducing more folds

Pokey 03-29-2006 08:07 PM

Re: I\'m lost and this is basic...
 
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My CB are usually 1/2 pot whether I hit or miss, should i bet more like 3/4 to full in either case?

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At small-stakes, this makes sense. Half-pot continuation bets just don't get the job done. Make it 3/4-to-full pot, depending on what you're most comfortable with. The 3/4 bets give you better odds on your continuations, and the full pots give you bigger pots when you hit. As a result, I like LAG players to bet 3/4, but TAG players to bet the full pot, simply because LAG players have a higher c-bet-to-value-bet ratio than TAGs do.

Oh, and I agree with the other posters: call the bet and lead any non-diamond turn (solidly, say for the full pot), folding to a raise.

Dan Bitel 03-29-2006 08:10 PM

Re: I\'m lost and this is basic...
 
will,

Your cbets should be between 2/3 pot and pot...with most of them being nearer to pot. Given stack sizes, I like a push on the flop...he has a weaker queen often and will call the push IMO.

To those saying call and lead a blank turn....a) check stack sizes. b) Why the non-diamond turn? If you think he has a flush draw...raise!!

Will221 03-29-2006 08:14 PM

Re: I\'m lost and this is basic...
 
thanks a lot Pokey, but I' wondering if a Potsize CB against a player I know will call with any piece of the baord of any type of draw is good or even a high card? I guess I should bet less against these type of player and go full pot against "normal" opponent?

relayerdave 03-29-2006 08:21 PM

Re: I\'m lost and this is basic...
 
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will,

Your cbets should be between 2/3 pot and pot...with most of them being nearer to pot. Given stack sizes, I like a push on the flop...he has a weaker queen often and will call the push IMO.

To those saying call and lead a blank turn....a) check stack sizes. b) Why the non-diamond turn? If you think he has a flush draw...raise!!

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This is one of the many reasons I remain an undisputed donk...


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