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Aaron_C 03-08-2006 06:13 AM

10-20nl pp = akward out of position play
 
1st, i know my perflop reraise is marginal, but this opp was active with his preflop raising often backs away when i show agression. My table image is a tad loose - agro, but i have made a habbit of not getting caught with bluffs tonight.
Both his preflop and flop calls are very scary, but the draw i pick up on the turn makes me want to fire the second barrel.
Note- he has seen me strong bet my draws = might put me on bare club, or have put me on the club draw on the flop despite my preflop raise.
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
6 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1813.08
UTG+1: $2262
CO: $14162.68
Button: $2673.50
Hero: $6046.92
BB: $1366

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with kd ac
2 folds, CO raises to $55, Button calls $55, Hero raises to $200, BB folds, CO calls $145, Button calls $145.

Flop: 4s tc 8c ($620, 3 players)
Hero bets $500, CO calls $500, Button folds.

Turn: 2c ($1620, 2 players)
Hero bets $1200, CO folds.
Uncalled bets: $1200 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $1620

wdead 03-08-2006 09:15 AM

Re: 10-20nl pp = akward out of position play
 
isnt the pf reraise standard?

EmpireMaker2 03-08-2006 12:08 PM

Re: 10-20nl pp = akward out of position play
 
What are you looking for?

creedofhubris 03-08-2006 12:37 PM

Re: 10-20nl pp = akward out of position play
 
If you want to get greedy you can check/raise the turn. With smaller stacks you would c/r allin. With an even smaller one you would just open-push the turn.

BluffTHIS! 03-08-2006 01:30 PM

Re: 10-20nl pp = akward out of position play
 
I'm not a big fan or raising or reraising with AKo in the blinds either full or 6-max. But if you are going to do it, then do it bigger so you don't get a chain of callers and the position you got yourself in trying to represent an overpair multiway when the majority of the time you miss the flop. But even if you do raise bigger to like 350, and only get 1 caller, then what again when that rag board comes and you are OOP? There's nothing wrong with calling the raiser and quietly folding when you miss. There are enough tough spots that occur naturally without seeking to make even more of them.

Aaron_C 03-08-2006 02:48 PM

Re: 10-20nl pp = akward out of position play
 
reraising or even raising AKo out of the blinds is nontraditional play in nl. the hand has a higher reverse implied odds than implied odds when played this way and it reveals the strength of your hand...
But it also disguises the strength of your hand...
If i believe he will raise a large number of hands from late position, which i do, then a reraise with anything frequently picks up the blinds. Thats why i make the play, and the continuation bet is automatic against this opponent since i believe he will call with any small pair to set and fold to a follow up flop bet.
But his flop call is a scary one, and picking up the draw on the turn is semi obvious, but worse it could easily mean he has made his flush...

aba20 03-08-2006 02:52 PM

Re: 10-20nl pp = akward out of position play
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm not a big fan or raising or reraising with AKo in the blinds either full or 6-max.

[/ QUOTE ]

Why not and what is your reraising range?

9cao 03-08-2006 03:18 PM

Re: 10-20nl pp = akward out of position play
 
In a typical SH game I think reraising out of the blinds with AK is a must for a variety of reasons.

AZK 03-08-2006 08:16 PM

Re: 10-20nl pp = akward out of position play
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm not a big fan or raising or reraising with AKo in the blinds either full or 6-max.

[/ QUOTE ]

So what do you normally do? muck?

Bill Ivey 03-10-2006 07:01 AM

Re: 10-20nl pp = akward out of position play
 
If you are called on the turn, do you just check-fold the river? Or follow through with a second bluff, assuming you didn't make a hand.


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