NL200 - 2X Pot Donk into my trips on the river??? Can I fold?
 

Villain is 32/19/2.2 over 82 hands w/ Infinite river aggression.

I've been pretty active and am running 25/19/2.5

Is this line ever a bluff?

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
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BB: $382.35
UTG: $200
Hero (BTN): $245.35
SB: $242.75

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, SB folds, BB calls $5

Flop: ($15) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $11</font>, BB calls $11

Turn: ($37) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $20</font>, BB calls $20

River: ($77) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $150</font>

Hero is confused???

Re: NL200 - 2X Pot Donk into my trips on the river??? Can I fold?
 

has he seen you double barrel with air? there is no way hes putting you on a 6 here. imo he has a boat thinking you hit a queen and might pay off some goofy bet, or exactly the opposite where he hits his queen and tries to make a goofy looking bet inducing you to call with worse then a queen.

tough spot but i usually call here.

Re: NL200 - 2X Pot Donk into my trips on the river??? Can I fold?
 

This is a fold most of the time in my experience, I i talk myself into calling and break my mouse when he shows 88

Re: NL200 - 2X Pot Donk into my trips on the river??? Can I fold?
 

I've never seen this line as a bluff, ever.

yet i still call them [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: NL200 - 2X Pot Donk into my trips on the river??? Can I fold?
 

Have to fold. He's not bluffing, and you really only beat 65, 64s

Re: NL200 - 2X Pot Donk into my trips on the river??? Can I fold?
 

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Have to fold. He's not bluffing, and you really only beat 65, 64s

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if youre hero with KQ whats your line

Re: NL200 - 2X Pot Donk into my trips on the river??? Can I fold?
 

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I've never seen this line as a bluff, ever.

yet i still call them [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I have. But I need a better read to call here.

Re: NL200 - 2X Pot Donk into my trips on the river??? Can I fold?
 

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Have to fold. He's not bluffing, and you really only beat 65, 64s

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if youre hero with KQ whats your line

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Same. I'd bet more on the turn with both hands, but I think that's probably irrelevant here.

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Have to fold. He's not bluffing, and you really only beat 65, 64s

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if youre hero with KQ whats your line

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Same. I'd bet more on the turn with both hands, but I think that's probably irrelevant here.

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exactly and you fold KQ on the river, even if you bet more on the turn. a queen is in heros range and betting smallish on the turn wouldnt be horrible with a hand like KQ. i think hed try and fold out some of those hands with a crazy river bet if he thinks were capable of folding a Q. our hand isnt polarized as a 6. our range is much wider here. if the turn was a 10 and river 8id be more concerned about the overbet.

villain may be doing this with a queen himself.


my point here is that there is about a 5% chance that villain thinks we have a 6 here.

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Have to fold. He's not bluffing, and you really only beat 65, 64s

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if youre hero with KQ whats your line

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Same. I'd bet more on the turn with both hands, but I think that's probably irrelevant here.

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exactly and you fold KQ on the river, even if you bet more on the turn. a queen is in heros range and betting smallish on the turn wouldnt be horrible with a hand like KQ. i think hed try and fold out some of those hands with a crazy river bet if he thinks were capable of folding a Q. our hand isnt polarized as a 6. our range is much wider here. if the turn was a 10 and river 8id be more concerned about the overbet.

villain may be doing this with a queen himself.


my point here is that there is about a 5% chance that villain thinks we have a 6 here.

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Doesn't matter. Both hands generally only beat bluffs. I guess it cuts down the number of made hands compared to bluffs since there are less 6x hands he can have, along with his full houses, but he has to have gotten to the river with something, that flop is very dry, and why would he turn a small PP into a bluff on the river?

Also, like someone else said, I've never seen a bluff in this spot, and I used to call here every time.