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TPTK77 11-20-2007 06:53 PM

100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?
 
This is the 2nd hand of the session and I’m villain is an unknown. I was wondering what your play would be on the turn after he shoves into you. There were two things I took into consideration in this hand for my decision. 1) He led after I raised pf and called my raise when I flopped top pair. 2) He shoved in for a half stack on the turn.

Could his line be a flush draw, QT kind of hand or more towards KJ, 77,JJ.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP: $183.75
Hero (CO): $100
BTN: $149.20
SB: $48.15
BB: $97.60
UTG: $34.85

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $3, BB folds

Flop: ($8) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $4</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, SB calls $10

Turn: ($36) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $30.65 and is All-In</font>

the machine 11-20-2007 07:01 PM

Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?
 
gross spot. id robably fold here since he led into us, called our raise, and shoved a blank turn. were only ahead of K10 or a wierd J.

Golfdish 11-20-2007 07:03 PM

Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?
 
snap call? you need about 30% equity, which imo you easily have


3,344 games 0.047 secs 71,148 games/sec

Board: Kc Jc 7s 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.762% 29.81% 03.95% 997 132.00 { KdQh }
Hand 1: 66.238% 62.29% 03.95% 2083 132.00 { 77, 55, AJs, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KJs+, K7s, K5s, QcTc, J7s, J5s, 75s, KTo+, K7o, K5o, J7o, J5o, 75o }

SlowRoll 11-20-2007 07:03 PM

Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?
 
Snap-call. I never give these kind of players respect

dallas14 11-20-2007 07:05 PM

Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?
 
seems like a hard laydown. let it go and get some more info on him before making a tough call like this.

Golfdish 11-20-2007 07:05 PM

Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?
 
or if you assume no flushdraws or combo draws (which we are ahead of) then you have like 28% equity and i still call

dallas14 11-20-2007 07:06 PM

Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?
 
[ QUOTE ]
snap call? you need about 30% equity, which imo you easily have


3,344 games 0.047 secs 71,148 games/sec

Board: Kc Jc 7s 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.762% 29.81% 03.95% 997 132.00 { KdQh }
Hand 1: 66.238% 62.29% 03.95% 2083 132.00 { 77, 55, AJs, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KJs+, K7s, K5s, QcTc, J7s, J5s, 75s, KTo+, K7o, K5o, J7o, J5o, 75o }

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that range is reaaaaaaaaaally wide considering we know nothing about him

the machine 11-20-2007 07:08 PM

Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?
 
yeah i think goldfish's range is too wide given hes an unknown. id want a little more info to decide hes doing this with a draw

Golfdish 11-20-2007 07:08 PM

Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?
 
Thats true, but villian will show up with alot of hands outside that range too.

Any PT stats on him?

the machine 11-20-2007 07:11 PM

Re: 100NL: Villain leading on flop, Shoving on turn? To call?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Thats true, but villian will show up with alot of hands outside that range too.

Any PT stats on him?

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no stats, thats the point


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