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ImInDanger 11-19-2007 01:41 PM

25NL- overpair on flop can i get away from this?
 
No reads wold just like to know if you think i should of gotten away from this on the flop after my 3bet with 12$ or so left Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($50.15)
Button ($38.25)
Hero ($25.10)
BB ($26.15)
UTG ($65.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $0.85</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $3</font>, Hero calls $2.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP folds.

Flop: ($7.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $39.25 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $10.10 (All-In).

Turn: ($51.30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($51.30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $51.30

orlov 11-19-2007 01:43 PM

Re: 25NL- overpair on flop can i get away from this?
 
After your 3bet your getting very good odds to call, unless you know that villain is a giant nit and wouldnt 3bet preflop with anything less than aa/kk/qq/ak and would let go of ak here you have to call.

Aceium 11-19-2007 02:36 PM

Re: 25NL- overpair on flop can i get away from this?
 
When you just flat call a 3bet with JJ you're going to be somewhat unclear as to what your opponent's range is. When he pushes over the top of you all in on the flop you can be reasonably sure that you are beat. But at this point you are somewhat committed to the pot.

Reads would help to determine if villan makes this same play with 66-TT. If you can add those to the range of QQ-AA, you're able to make a quasi-profitable call.

creamfillin 11-19-2007 02:40 PM

Re: 25NL- overpair on flop can i get away from this?
 
Maybe this is too weak but I can dump JJ OOP to his 3B readless. Against an unknown's range @25NL you are most likely crushed and it's going to be very difficult finding out where you stand postflop. Yea sometimes you'll be throwing away the best hand, but over the long run it's going to be really difficult to be profitable in this spot.

As played I would not raise this flop. Raising this flop is suicide. I prefer to just c/c and see what happens on the turn. Most likely c/f the turn.

Genesis 11-19-2007 02:48 PM

Re: 25NL- overpair on flop can i get away from this?
 
You can't fold after the flop checkraise. You need to decide if you want to get all-in here before making the c/r, not after you have 60% of your chips in the middle.

I think I would just check call the flop here and let it go to solid turn bet. We're just not in a good spot here.


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