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Bubsy27 11-18-2007 04:45 PM

How bad is this?
 
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $15.85
CO: $23.80
Button: $55.92
Hero: $49.50
BB: $65.44

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG, folds, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $4.5</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($9.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $0.5</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($10.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $1.5</font>, Hero calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($13.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $9</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in $17.8</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $49.1

No stats on villain
IS the flop call terrible?
And is it Ok up until the 'value bet on the river?'
What hands is he calling with that I beat?

Monster207 11-18-2007 05:11 PM

Re: How bad is this?
 
i honestly think this is ok but then again I'm really thrown for a loop when someone posts/checks and then min raises.. not really sure what to put his range on.

Monster207 11-18-2007 05:44 PM

Re: How bad is this?
 
I'm just curious to what other posters think, do you consider a oop post and then raise the same as a lrr?

Jailblazers 11-18-2007 06:16 PM

Re: How bad is this?
 
This is a wierd spot. But I sorta like the way you played it given the stack sizes.

maciczka 11-18-2007 06:21 PM

Re: How bad is this?
 
ok, I missed the lined. Tell me, what have You think he has at every street, and tell me why do You play the way You've played. Then we can talk. I just don't get it at all.

Quester 11-18-2007 06:23 PM

Re: How bad is this?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm just curious to what other posters think, do you consider a oop post and then raise the same as a lrr?

[/ QUOTE ]

No, because he didn't voluntarily put in while knowing his cards. So, I'd consider it a 3-bet, but I don't give it as much credit because of the post. I think his range is pretty wide, and the hand was played well. You wanted to get it to showdown and did, and bet for value on the river when you made 2-pair, believing you are ahead of his range. After he pushes, you have to call. nh

n4rf 11-18-2007 09:49 PM

Re: How bad is this?
 
I can't put villain on a hand that you'd beat except for KQ. AA, KK, AK, QQ all have you beat. I will admit however that this is a tough spot, but I don't know if I'd honestly call the raise. Minraise on the river surely does not mean a bluff and I think you're beat here 95% of the time. Though it's hard to fold in this spot, it's only a min-raise (which is why they can be the most frustrating plays)

Phytopath 11-18-2007 10:00 PM

Re: How bad is this?
 
Yeah, well your opponent seems like a loon. Obviously his PF strategy freezes you (it would freeze me too) as does his post flop nasty play with his mini-bets, I don't mind the way you played it fearing you were behind on the flop.

I think this is okay, I've seen some villians play AJ or KQ like this.

Definately make notes after you see his cards.


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