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Maddie84 11-18-2007 09:55 AM

200NL, turn set facing 3 bet + river agg.
 
Villain is 34/14.5 ~550 hands

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $402.26
UTG+1: $125.00
CO: $153.24
Maddie84: $200.96
SB: $329.34
BB: $301.54

Pre-flop: (6 players) Maddie84 is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $12</font>, 2 folds, Maddie84 calls, 2 folds.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($27, 2 players)
UTG checks, Maddie84 checks.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($27, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $13.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Maddie84 raises to $27</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $60.75</font>, Maddie84 calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($148.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $74.25</font>, Maddie84 ????

hirschi 11-18-2007 10:02 AM

Re: 200NL, turn set facing 3 bet + river agg.
 
i think u can put him on two pair/big ace lots of times...so i prefer to push this.

Bonk 11-18-2007 11:04 AM

Re: 200NL, turn set facing 3 bet + river agg.
 
Given stack sizes and his river bet size, pushing looks good. However JJ, KQ and AA are good part of his range once he checked that dryish flop.

Unknown Soldier 11-18-2007 11:08 AM

Re: 200NL, turn set facing 3 bet + river agg.
 
push turn &gt; pushing now

calling turn and pushing river makes no sense.

hirschi 11-18-2007 11:36 AM

Re: 200NL, turn set facing 3 bet + river agg.
 
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push turn &gt; pushing now

calling turn and pushing river makes no sense.

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why?

RounderPete 11-18-2007 11:37 AM

Re: 200NL, turn set facing 3 bet + river agg.
 
Raise more on turn (40-45), and push turn.

Unknown Soldier 11-18-2007 11:38 AM

Re: 200NL, turn set facing 3 bet + river agg.
 
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push turn &gt; pushing now

calling turn and pushing river makes no sense.

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why?

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why not?


i.e why is calling turn then pushing river better then pushing the turn?

Ringmaster 11-18-2007 12:02 PM

Re: 200NL, turn set facing 3 bet + river agg.
 
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Given stack sizes and his river bet size, pushing looks good. However JJ, KQ and AA are good part of his range once he checked that dryish flop.

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He should rarely show up with KQ here, as most players would c-bet that on the flop. I think if we're beat here, he's got AA or JJ.

However, there's a good chance he plays 77, AJ and AT this way, so I agree that we should push (on the turn preferably).

Ringmaster 11-18-2007 12:10 PM

Re: 200NL, turn set facing 3 bet + river agg.
 
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push turn &gt; pushing now

calling turn and pushing river makes no sense.

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why?

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Because we're ahead of his calling range on the turn so why not get the money in now?

Honestly I don't think it makes a big difference in this hand, but in general it's better to get the money in right away in case (a) a scare card kills your action on the river, or (b) he drawing and won't pay off when he misses, but will get it in on the turn.


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