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Wesker1982 11-16-2007 12:44 AM

flopped straight vs flopped nut straight, fold?
 
I was pretty close to folding this, but didn't. Could I get away from this?

Full Tilt Poker Game #4190214797: $10 + $1 Knockout (31724387), Table 66 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:32:44 ET - 2007/11/15
Seat 1: PhilTheDrill7 (3,605)
Seat 2: ELCHINO7 (7,735)
Seat 3: calkidds (6,065)
Seat 4: Wesker1982 (1,840)
Seat 5: Hamon49 (1,045)
Seat 6: cannonzzzzz (2,140)
Seat 7: Foo101 (1,000)
Seat 8: izclozed (2,290)
Seat 9: honeyheadkid (2,930)
Wesker1982 posts the small blind of 40
Hamon49 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wesker1982 [Js 9d]
cannonzzzzz calls 80
Foo101 folds
izclozed folds
honeyheadkid folds
PhilTheDrill7 folds
ELCHINO7 folds
calkidds folds
Wesker1982 calls 40
Hamon49 checks
*** FLOP *** [Qh Th Ks]
Wesker1982 bets 240
Hamon49 folds
cannonzzzzz calls 240
*** TURN *** [Qh Th Ks] [Kc]
Wesker1982 has 15 seconds left to act
Wesker1982 bets 400
cannonzzzzz raises to 800
Wesker1982 raises to 1,520, and is all in
cannonzzzzz calls 720
Wesker1982 shows [Js 9d]
cannonzzzzz shows [Jc Ac]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Th Ks Kc] [2s]
Wesker1982 shows a straight, King high
cannonzzzzz shows a straight, Ace high
cannonzzzzz wins the pot (3,760) with a straight, Ace high
Wesker1982 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,760 | Rake 0
Board: [Qh Th Ks Kc 2s]
Seat 1: PhilTheDrill7 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: ELCHINO7 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: calkidds (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Wesker1982 (small blind) showed [Js 9d] and lost with a straight, King high
Seat 5: Hamon49 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: cannonzzzzz showed [Jc Ac] and won (3,760) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 7: Foo101 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: izclozed didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: honeyheadkid didn't bet (folded)

BurnleyMik 11-16-2007 12:48 AM

Re: flopped straight vs flopped nut straight, fold?
 
Personally I am not getting away from this. Once that turn falls and he min raises , I would be putting him on that K and getting it all in the middle, as you did.

yNnOs 11-16-2007 12:51 AM

Re: flopped straight vs flopped nut straight, fold?
 
Absolutely NEVER.

Hollywade 11-16-2007 01:22 AM

Re: flopped straight vs flopped nut straight, fold?
 
When I first saw the flop, I thought you were getting it all in on the flop. In that case, no way I'm folding. When the king pairs on the turn, I might be able to get away from it, but it would be a difficult decision.

Hollywade 11-16-2007 01:24 AM

Re: flopped straight vs flopped nut straight, fold?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Once that turn falls and he min raises , I would be putting him on that K and getting it all in the middle, as you did.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, I agree. KJ seems like a likely hand when he min raises the turn. However, he could just as easily have KQ or K10. I don't know. Early in a tournament, I'm probably just going to have to go broke.

BurnleyMik 11-16-2007 01:24 AM

Re: flopped straight vs flopped nut straight, fold?
 
[ QUOTE ]
When I first saw the flop, I thought you were getting it all in on the flop. In that case, no way I'm folding. When the king pairs on the turn, I might be able to get away from it, but it would be a difficult decision.

[/ QUOTE ]

TBH, i am not too scared of the FH on that turn because I cannot see two pair flat calling the flop bet on that board.

Wesker1982 11-16-2007 01:33 AM

Re: flopped straight vs flopped nut straight, fold?
 
Thanks for the input.

What I actually put him on was a flush draw once he called the flop bet, maybe a straight draw. I just couldn't put him on AJ after he limped UTG and a lot of people seem to limp with any suited connectors. My main concern was KT or KQ, but as mentioned, I leaned more towards a flush draw because he just called my flop bet, thought maybe he was semi bluffing with the min raise.

BurnleyMik 11-16-2007 01:38 AM

Re: flopped straight vs flopped nut straight, fold?
 
Yeah I was thinking his range was:

Ax-hearts/K-rag-also possibly hearts/KJ/AJ.

Considering you are ahead of all of those except AJ, my money is going in on that turn.


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