50NL Value extraction with a FH
 

SB is 14/6/3 over 200 hands
MP2 is 30/10/2 over 50 hands

I'm running 20/11/13 at the table

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$9.50</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$54.10</font>)
MP1 (<font color="#0000cc">$59.60</font>)
MP2 (<font color="#0000cc">$50.50</font>)
MP3 (<font color="#0000cc">$22.95</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$46.10</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$74.40</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$31.10</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$22.75</font>)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is UTG+1 T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.5, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls $0.5, MP3 calls $0.5, CO calls $0.5, BTN calls $0.5, SB calls $0.25, BB checks


TT is one of those hands I'm unsure about in EP. Until I get settled into 50NL, I'm probably going to be tight about my UTG raises and limping a good amount. (most of the time [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3.5, 7 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $2</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, MP2 calls $7, <font color="#777777">3 folds</font>, SB calls $5

I raise the flop and two people call me. Yay!


Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($24.5, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks

If I was last to act, I definitely would've bet out here, but I check to see if MP2 will bet, since his stats seem aggressive. If he bets and SB calls, I'm shoving with maximum money in the pot. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Against a more passive villain, I'm also betting here.


River: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($24.5, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $18</font>, MP2 calls $18, <font color="#777777">SB folds</font>

Suggestions and thoughts on all streets welcome. Thanks!

Re: 50NL Value extraction with a FH
 

I bet half pot on the turn most times. If these guys called the flop raise, they'll call that with whatever their holding is. Make draws pay, so they cant ch-f on the river when they miss and make the pot big enough to stack them when they hit.

Re: 50NL Value extraction with a FH
 

I raise preflop so it will be easier.

Re: 50NL Value extraction with a FH
 

ugh what on earth are you doing
raise pf
raise flop
halfish pot on turn
riv see who and what's left

and please post some tougher spots and not just 'value extraction with full house' and 'value extraction with quads'

Re: 50NL Value extraction with a FH
 

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and please post some tougher spots and not just 'value extraction with full house' and 'value extraction with quads'

[/ QUOTE ]these are tough spots for some people, I get confused when I make monsters at times [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img].

Re: 50NL Value extraction with a FH
 

If those were the only types of posts I made on this forum, I think you'd be fine to flame me. However, I post about any hand where I'm unsure I took the best line (regardless of why) and sometimes, yes, that'll include getting value from my big hands.

Re: 50NL Value extraction with a FH
 

Raise preflop, 12 or 13 on the turn, allin on the river. You lose a lot of value by not betting the turn here from lower boats, straights, flush draws, overpairs, etc.

Re: 50NL Value extraction with a FH
 

You have to bet that turn. When you have a hand like yours, you need to be thinking...how do i get all the money in. You dont do that by checking.

The flop raise was good. They called that. You now need to bet enough on the turn to allow you to shove the river.

Re: 50NL Value extraction with a FH
 

Yeah, the fact that they both called the flop should've made the decision to bet the turn much easier. I shouldn't get too attached to the idea that aggressive players are always going to bet.

I'll agree that raising preflop makes this hand easier, but as I said, I'd like to feel more comfortable at the new limit and have a better understanding of table dynamics before I start raising medium pairs UTG.

Re: 50NL Value extraction with a FH
 

I would open bet pf.

I would bet turn, try to build a bigger pot. Why would they both call flop bet and not call a turn bet? That turn 6 is not really that scary...