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BubbleMint 11-15-2007 02:05 PM

A spew or sound acting on a read.
 
UTG+1 love his raggy aces and suited cards. I have only ever see him be aggro with a draw (even a 9 high flush draw), so him flat calling the flop kinda ruled out the flush draw based on previous hands played. Villain also has bluff raises on turn and river in his arseanl of moves.

Full Tilt 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises $3.5 (All-In)</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9.08 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (13.08 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.08 BB

Lethe 11-15-2007 02:13 PM

Re: A spew or sound acting on a read.
 
Where exactly do you think you are spewing? This looks super standard to me.

Also, why can't he have a flush draw? Maybe he was planning on c/ring but changed his mind after Button raised all in. When a passive opponent (my understanding of your read) raises on the turn, alarm bells should definitely go off. I'm guessing he showed down A8 or something?

BubbleMint 11-15-2007 02:19 PM

Re: A spew or sound acting on a read.
 
Button is only all in for 1sb for all intent and purpose.

I ruled out the flush draw as I have only ever seen this villain play a flush draw aggressively, c/r large fields with a 9 high flush draw being the prime example.

His turn raise is bluff, an 8, or my thinking at the time AdXx.

One Outer 11-15-2007 02:40 PM

Re: A spew or sound acting on a read.
 
It doesn't really matter what you think villain has after the flop, right? It's not like you're not showing down.

Hyperrrprank 11-15-2007 02:52 PM

Re: A spew or sound acting on a read.
 
This is a super standard calldown.

Taking this line against a bluffy, tricky player in pots like this takes away their favorite toys, which has some metagame considerations if it frustrates and/or tilts them. It even helps if he actually has the hand, since he'll slowly stop trying to bluff you if he's observant enough to see your not scared of his extra bets and are going to call him.

KitCloudkicker 11-15-2007 03:45 PM

Re: A spew or sound acting on a read.
 
whats your read on MP3's 3-betting standards?

jesse8888 11-15-2007 06:22 PM

Re: A spew or sound acting on a read.
 
I think you have to call this down.

Kind of a stupid question, but suppose the action where the same except the all in was for half a bet. Would anyone consider raising again on the flop?

Lethe 11-15-2007 06:25 PM

Re: A spew or sound acting on a read.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Would anyone consider raising again on the flop?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes.

BubbleMint 11-15-2007 06:27 PM

Re: A spew or sound acting on a read.
 
[ QUOTE ]
whats your read on MP3's 3-betting standards?

[/ QUOTE ]

No specific read, I had not see him get to showdown, nor had he been a particually active player.

This was perhaps his first 3 bet, had he raised my flop lead, I would have assumed I was beaten due to his lack of action elsewhere.

BubbleMint 11-15-2007 06:28 PM

Re: A spew or sound acting on a read.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Would anyone consider raising again on the flop?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, I would have. I would have 3 bet anybody bar the relatively inactive pre flop 3 bettor.


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