12 outs race with fold equity
 

Villain is 33/10/0.43 over 30ish hands. I'm running 24/18/5 over 30 hands. Shove here? 12 out race (mayyybe more if my over cards are live) with some fold equity.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $12.04
BB: $7.03
Hero (UTG): $11.65
BTN: $5.40

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.20</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.42) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $0.30</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $1</font>, <font color="red">Hero ?

Re: 12 outs race with fold equity
 

Yea I shove. Hell at this level there might be a decent chance that both your over's are good.

Re: 12 outs race with fold equity
 

I really dont think BB is folding so I might take a cheap look and push if I hit. But thats just because I dont think he is folding... I dunno

Re: 12 outs race with fold equity
 

I don't think we need fold equity to shove, there's enough ovrlay in the pot allready and this is A8,99 so often that we can expect to have more than 12 outs

Re: 12 outs race with fold equity
 

shoving is a huge overbet, id put in a 4bet to 3.50 and call a shove. i guess thats just a finesse thing though.

Re: 12 outs race with fold equity
 

Ah...w/e I actually agree with you ama...make it like 3.75 and call a shove. Probably more FE that way though I don't really know what FE is like at 5NL. I'm just not used to 5NL stacks, didn't pay enough attention and didn't think there was much $ left.


Definitely getting it in on the flop if he puts it in though. If we do raise to 3.5 or w/e and just get called and villian checks the turn I probably check behind there though and shove river if I hit.

Re: 12 outs race with fold equity
 

Yeah thats the other point, 3.50 lets us get away or take a free card if we do miss the turn.

Re: 12 outs race with fold equity
 

calling at these stakes is should be pretty standard. no need to push as i doubt you get a fold and racing seems pretty pointless given the prices hes giving you. i really doubt he finds a fold if you hit any of your outs.

Re: 12 outs race with fold equity
 

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Ah...w/e I actually agree with you ama...make it like 3.75 and call a shove. Probably more FE that way though I don't really know what FE is like at 5NL. I'm just not used to 5NL stacks, didn't pay enough attention and didn't think there was much $ left.

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BB is .05 but the max buy in is $10, so theres going to be money left behind many times in this spot.

Just one of the many wierd things about PokerStars. This is only the case for .01/.02NL ($5 max) and .02/.05NL ($10 max)....100BB at all other limits I'm pretty sure.

Re: 12 outs race with fold equity
 

I call and fold unless I improve, against an AF 0.43 and 150bb deep. Just doesn`t looks like he is gonna fold to me.