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FreddyT87 11-14-2007 07:49 AM

Struggling with QQ
 
Over the last month I lost a lot of money with QQ. I have a few examples for you right here. I don't know if I'm running bad or playing bad or maybe both. I definitely need advice here.


HAND 1
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Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $77.35
UTG+1: $42.30
CO: $12
Hero: $49.25
SB: $18.75
BB: $30.05

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($8.25, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $7.25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $16</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $45</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 calls all-in $22.8</font>.
Uncalled bets: $6.2 returned to Hero.


Hand 2
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Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $80.55
UTG+1: $49.25
CO: $14.45
Hero: $43.65
SB: $8.85
BB: $25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.2</font>, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2.75, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2.15</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $4.3</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $10.5</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($23.75, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($23.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $20</font>, Hero ???


Hand 3
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Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $24
Button: $28.80
SB: $27.70
Hero: $25.60

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($2.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($6.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $10</font>, Hero calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($26.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $5</font>, Hero calls.




That's it for postflop action. Here are two hands again QQ. Can I escape?

HAND 4
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Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $25
CO: $25.65
Button: $56.10
SB: $24.75
BB: $24.65

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $1.25</font>, 2 folds, BB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in $25.65</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $20</font>.
Uncalled bets: $0.65 returned to CO.


HAND 5
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Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $35.55
CO: $7.25
Hero: $25.95
SB: $29.75
BB: $25

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $3</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $10</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in $29.75</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $15.95</font>.

iRunBad123 11-14-2007 07:58 AM

Re: Struggling with QQ
 
my general rule with queens are that if its a low flop i am all in unless i have some kind of amazing read. pre flop i usually call a 3 bet and if no ace or king come im all in.
i only go all in pre if i know the other player us a doinkey

Profish2285 11-14-2007 10:05 AM

Re: Struggling with QQ
 
Hand 1: Standard
Hand 2: Standard...raise more on flop however
Hand 3: Fold
Hand 4: Fold
Hand 5: Call the 3 bet and try to get it in on a good flop

corsakh 11-14-2007 10:19 AM

Re: Struggling with QQ
 
Hand 1 standard
Hand 2 wth you doing on the flop, if you decide to raise, try to get it all in.
Hand 3 easy fold
Hand 4 read dependant, I probably fold without one, but its close
Hand 5 Dont overplay it preflop without history. Call and see the flop.

thac 11-14-2007 10:26 AM

Re: Struggling with QQ
 
Hand 1 - Fine.
Hand 2 - If you bet the flop like that, shove the turn.
Hand 3 - Fold to the minraise on the turn, there's not much you beat.
Hand 4 - Don't limp/rr if you don't want this to happen.
Hand 5 - Just call his 3-bet and play position and see what happens.

Gesangsverein 11-14-2007 11:04 AM

Re: Struggling with QQ
 
Hand 1:

I bet only 3$ preflop, as a result only 6 postflop, but generally I would take the same line most of the time...


Hand 2:

As your opponent minraises the flop I assume he either has a draw or a hand as strong as 2 pair/ set, this leads to the conclusion that your 3-bet on the flop is - I`m sorry - bulls***. You offer him 3:1 pot odds which means, that he won`t stop drawing.
I think you either have to raise big or just call.
Against an unknown I would prefere a call in order to play a small pot (don`t forget that you are kind of deep!).
As played I fold the river.


Hand 3:

I like your bet on the turn!
It`s much better than a check I think, because your opponent is very likely to tell you something about his hand. But please insta-fold to his min-raise!!!
If his is bluffing here - well s*** happenes, but most of the time he has you beaten.


Hand 4:

5$ 3-beting is way to big considering your stack sizes. Make it to 4 is enough to deny him the proper odds to call for set value, it also leaves you much more room to get out if you think you are beaten and it`s more likely that your opponent will call with AJ / AQ / AK which is good for you.
I personally would fold to his shove, if I hadn`t seen him shoving with hands like TT/JJ/AK/AQ before.

Hand 5:

This situation is similar to Hand 4 although it`s not the same. As I insta-fold to his shove in Hand 4, I don`t think going all-in here preflop (...but please push to his 3-bet! 4-beting ~40% of your stack is just ugly!) is wrong. In this situation only botton and small blind are involved and people are more likely to go all-in with a hand like AK/TT/JJ when the first 3 players have already folded.
I personally only call his 3-bet. I do this mainly for set value but will also be willing to go all-in on a flop which doesn`t show one of the following cards: ten, jack, king and ace


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