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efficacy 11-13-2007 07:59 PM

sexy this river vs Chez?
 
PokerStars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="#FF0000">CO raises</font>, Button folds, SB folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (6.20 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero...

Amaryllis 11-13-2007 08:04 PM

Re: sexy this river vs Chez?
 
Check-check is soooooo ugly

Oink 11-13-2007 08:04 PM

Re: sexy this river vs Chez?
 
I dont do this when I have shown so much strength preflop.

Say I just raised in the SB vs his BB. Then I'd look for a sexy.

When 3-betting preflop people tend to check more as they just wanna see a SD. Say he has JT. Then he will think you have QQ and KK a lot and not bet. In my example where you just open raised your range is wider and there is more value in a bet for him.

Something Yourface have made me think about.

MacGuyV 11-13-2007 08:13 PM

Re: sexy this river vs Chez?
 
If he has JT he may not even call the river anyway (I know lol but think about it he's never good when we bet). He has an Ace a lot, this sexy is borderline standard imo.

efficacy 11-13-2007 08:13 PM

Re: sexy this river vs Chez?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I dont do this when I have shown so much strength preflop.

Say I just raised in the SB vs his BB. Then I'd look for a sexy.

When 3-betting preflop people tend to check more as they just wanna see a SD. Say he has JT. Then he will think you have QQ and KK a lot and not bet. In my example where you just open raised your range is wider and there is more value in a bet for him.

Something Yourface have made me think about.

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I don't think he calls this river with JT, so I wouldn't miss any value from that hand.

efficacy 11-13-2007 08:16 PM

Re: sexy this river vs Chez?
 
I think the only hands he calls with here are aces that I beat - hands that he will also v-bet vs my "obv" KK/QQ/TT if I check the river.

All other hands are folding if I bet and checking behind if I check.

idk... chez plays so perfectly against me, I think he might even fold AT / AQ to a river c/r. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Amaryllis 11-13-2007 08:17 PM

Re: sexy this river vs Chez?
 
[ QUOTE ]
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I dont do this when I have shown so much strength preflop.

Say I just raised in the SB vs his BB. Then I'd look for a sexy.

When 3-betting preflop people tend to check more as they just wanna see a SD. Say he has JT. Then he will think you have QQ and KK a lot and not bet. In my example where you just open raised your range is wider and there is more value in a bet for him.

Something Yourface have made me think about.

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I don't think he calls this river with JT, so I wouldn't miss any value from that hand.

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Edit. Post deleted b/c you answered this question as I was typing it.

Oink 11-13-2007 08:20 PM

Re: sexy this river vs Chez?
 
Oh yeah good points about JT

Folding JT here never entered my mind. lol


Well in that case I certainly like a c/r a lot more.

What about KK and QQ. Chez folding those as well? noo?
EDIT: But he is capping them preflop [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]. I need to go to bed

If he folds AT, AQ to a c/r then it doesnt do you any good efficacy. In particular if he cks behind QQ, KK that might would have called a bet.


On the other hand. c/r here is good for metagame. It might buy you some free SD's OOP with KK, QQ in other spots like this.

rzk 11-13-2007 08:22 PM

Re: sexy this river vs Chez?
 
i think the answer depends on whether chez will call your c/r if he has a weak ace.

if he will, then we only need him to bet half as often as he calls your bet. i think he has a weak ace that he plays wa/wb here often enough.

efficacy 11-13-2007 08:26 PM

Re: sexy this river vs Chez?
 
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What about KK and QQ. Chez folding those as well? noo?

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I think KK and QQ are very small part of his range because he is probably capping those preflop a large % of the time.


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