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AshleyC 11-13-2007 05:06 PM

QQ overpair low-drawy flop
 
Villan is 25/13

Easy shove?

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($101.35)
Button ($148.05)
SB ($129.10)
BB ($97.50)
UTG ($253.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($11.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $41.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $96.35 (All-In)</font>

sebbb 11-13-2007 05:09 PM

Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop
 
easy shove imo, you beat a lot of hands

Suigin406 11-13-2007 05:11 PM

Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop
 
fine, it could be a lower pair or maybe a flush draw enough for this to be good

dersl 11-13-2007 05:11 PM

Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop
 
kinda sucks because this flop hits a huge part of his range after limp/calling utg

but i think you cant get away from it..

dukemagic 11-13-2007 05:13 PM

Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop
 
i play it the same, yeah. he might have a set or straight, but also in his range would be fd, sd, fd+overs, fd+sd, bluff, 66+ (although 88/99/etc would probably just call)...

Cc08 11-13-2007 05:25 PM

Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop
 
Standard shove for me... he could have plenty of draws and lower pocket pairs.

RockRattler 11-13-2007 05:34 PM

Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop
 
not easy shove but I think it's the best you can do.

matt85 11-13-2007 06:32 PM

Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop
 
Yep i think so.

cs3 11-13-2007 06:49 PM

Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop
 
let me start off by saying i generally HATE posts that say "look i soved it, you must fold, or oohh oohh, must call!!!", but im doing this jsut to give an idea of villains range and what youre most likely looking at.

also, dont you have a better read than "25/13"?
anway, shoving is standard i guess, but vs lots of players its really not that great. his raise sizing makes me think he has set much more often than a combo draw, but youre not in great shape either way.

i think this is a fairly accurate range for villain, and again i think he raises his sets/2prs/strts with a much higher frequency than his combo draws, but theres not really a good way to weight rangs with pokerstove.


Board: 5d 4d 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.712% 35.14% 01.57% 16699 746.50 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 63.288% 61.72% 01.57% 29328 746.50 { 77-22, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad3d, A2s, 76s, 65s, 53s+, 43s }


and villain is obv never folding, so dont even consider that

cs3 11-13-2007 06:52 PM

Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop
 
also if you were deeper id be perfectly fine just folding the flop


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