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Margaud 11-13-2007 03:05 PM

Right fold here with QQ?
 
I really really didn't want to fold this hand but in the end, I was convinced it was the right move as I'd only had 600 chips invested in the pot. My assumption was that a 4bet is 99.5% going to be AA/KK. Is my assumption right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

PokerStars Game #13181599588: Tournament #65933429 $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (100/200) - 2007/11/11 - 17:09:22 (ET)
Table '65933429 174' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
CO (t11100)
Button (t8500)
SB (t19250)
BB (t15942)
UTG (t16583)
UTG+1 (t10625)
Hero (t9550)
MP2 (t20525)
MP3 (t8900)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t3200</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t8800</font>, Hero folds, Button calls t5300 (All-In).

Flop: (t18000) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t18000) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t18000) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t18000

brad2002tj 11-13-2007 03:08 PM

Re: Right fold here with QQ?
 
Standerd.

chuckleslovakian 11-13-2007 03:11 PM

Re: Right fold here with QQ?
 
What is the buyin?

ssnyc 11-13-2007 03:11 PM

Re: Right fold here with QQ?
 
buy in? turbo or regular...fold is fine

SpuddzMcoy 11-13-2007 03:13 PM

Re: Right fold here with QQ?
 
This seemed wuite early in the tourny...or was it? But at any rate i might have raised a little bit more preflop perhaps to something like 1000 or 1200. but 'gainst a four bet like that with a call i woulda folded

Hollywade 11-13-2007 03:18 PM

Re: Right fold here with QQ?
 
I don't think the percentage you are assuming is necessarily right. I've seen a lot of 4-bets that aren't AA or KK. There are a lot of crazy people out there.

However, in this situation, I would fold the queens and feel pretty good about it. Of course, I am an uber nit, so what do you expect?

Lose the 600 chips and move on. I think you're crushed.

Margaud 11-13-2007 03:20 PM

Re: Right fold here with QQ?
 
Sorry guys, I didn't realize the hand converter omitted the tourney details.

I've edited the post to include tourney and level.

But why would you make the initial raise so much more? Wouldn't that be telegraphing the hand. All my pf raises are the same (3x bb) unless it's unopened to me in the SB, then I raise 4x to account for OOP.

I'll wait for a couple of more replies before posting the result.

markdeeznutz 11-13-2007 03:20 PM

Re: Right fold here with QQ?
 
a 4 bet is never aa/kk 99.5% of the time .. however a fold is fine if the BB's range is pretty tight (JJ+,AKs,AKo)..

markdeeznutz 11-13-2007 03:23 PM

Re: Right fold here with QQ?
 
your preflop raise is fine, for this level tourney though, you'd probably be better off posting in the high stakes mtt forum


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