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rhayder 11-13-2007 10:31 AM

AQo from MP1
 
Is the flop just a call?

Read:
CO: 38/17/1.48/47 hands

Everest Poker Limit Hold'em, $0.50/$1 (HH Converter by Kreatief)

UTG+1 ($19.15)
UTG+2 ($47.50)
MP1 ($17.90) (Hero)
MP2 ($23.41)
MP3 ($13.50)
CO ($42.25)
Button ($22.22)
SB ($50.80)
BB ($52.37)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Hero calls,

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( 5.25BB )
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls,

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( 10.75BB )
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls,

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( 12.75BB )
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls,

TimovieMan 11-13-2007 10:34 AM

Re: AQo from MP1
 
I think I'd have check-raised the flop instead of donking into the CO, and then called down all the way if he'd 3-bet.

Otherwise it looks like a good play.

JJack 11-13-2007 10:57 AM

Re: AQo from MP1
 
[ QUOTE ]
I think I'd have check-raised the flop instead of donking into the CO, and then called down all the way if he'd 3-bet.

Otherwise it looks like a good play.

[/ QUOTE ]

Fadook 11-13-2007 11:22 AM

Re: AQo from MP1
 
Why did you donk the flop? Check-raise and call down against a guy this aggressive.

rhayder 11-13-2007 11:35 AM

Re: AQo from MP1
 
I have to watch my donking.. I can see now that he surely would have bet into me.

I just see two suited cards and bet.. I need to start looking beyond that .. thanks.

Dankenstein 11-13-2007 01:06 PM

Re: AQo from MP1
 
:g:
I'm checkraising the flop. For the most part I can be pretty certain my opponent is going to C-bet given his preflop aggression. If he is a passive player who will check behind maybe not, but even then you can confidently bet out on a good turn. And if your opponent 3-bets you can just call his 3-bet and check call to the river UI.

shuinthehouse 11-13-2007 01:48 PM

Re: AQo from MP1
 
Agree the better play is check-raise flop and call down a 3 bet, but as played can't we find a fold on the turn? We're getting 12-2 implied, and what do we beat? Villain 3 bet PF and raised and capped the flop. The only thing we beat is an overplayed 99 or JJ, maybe a chop with AQ. On the flop it could have been broadway clubs, but we fell behind that on the turn. I really doubt we're good 1 in 6 here.

Limit(ed)_Player 11-13-2007 03:32 PM

Re: AQo from MP1
 
I think I check raise the flop, and would call a 3 bet.
If he 3 bet the flop, I would check/call the turn, paying off if he played his draw aggressively (AcKc for example) but I would bet / fold this river.
However, if he only called my flop check raise, I would lead the turn, and call any raise. Again I think I would b/f river as I think too many of his likely holdings are now good.

One further Question, Why do people insist on saying 38/17/1.48 from 47 is a read, I find that lazy.
I hope you made a note on what he had here and how he played it, so that in future you know if you can push back against someone playing a draw strongly on the flop or know that he would only be betting this with say a flopped set / two pair.

[Be gentle with me…………]

OziBattler 11-13-2007 05:22 PM

Re: AQo from MP1
 
CRing a showdown type hand hand on the flop like TP against lags and maniacs is my new favourite hobby. these guys love to screw with you so when you get a chance to screw with them, do it. seriously.

maverickai 11-13-2007 10:13 PM

Re: AQo from MP1
 
grunching... if you had donked first on the flop, I would only call his raise, and go to call down mode with top split pair. Since he 3-bet on the preflop, he's possible range is AK,AQs,JJ-AA,


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