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betgo 11-13-2007 02:36 AM

Short stack problems FTOPS $1K
 
1.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
(Ante: t50)
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t18152
UTG+1: t31005
MP1: t5850
MP2: t21076
MP3: t21240
CO: t9725
Button: t1870
Hero: t4250
BB: t7125

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
7 folds, Hero ???

2.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t250/t500
(Ante: t50)
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2770
Hero: t3750
MP1: t7275
MP2: t25002
MP3: t23955
CO: t6000
Button: t20026
SB: t22090
BB: t9425

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero ???

3.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t250/t500
(Ante: t50)
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: t3700
UTG+1: t8425
MP1: t24952
MP2: t23905
MP3: t5950
CO: t19976
Button: t21790
SB: t8875
BB: t2720

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero ???

4.
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t250/t500
(Ante: t50)
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t24852
UTG+1: t23805
MP1: t5850
MP2: t19876
MP3: t21690
CO: t9725
Button: t4690
Hero: t1480
BB: t8325

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to t1400</font>, 5 folds, Hero ???

Zugwat 11-13-2007 04:29 AM

Re: Short stack problems FTOPS $1K
 
1. usually fold, unless you think that the BB is not calling wide enough then shove but i still dont like it

shoving weak aces from early position is terrible imo, even with ur stack, you are so punished by peoples calling ranges, much rather shove Q 8 utg then A 4 in the 2 hole so hand 2 and 3 should be folds

the last one i think you have no choice but to gamble with K 10 cuz ur infiintely short and u have no fold equity anyways if you wait

Soulman 11-13-2007 05:00 AM

Re: Short stack problems FTOPS $1K
 
Fold 1-3, call 4. Ax is bad for shoving from EP, although not for the reasons given by Zugwat. 4 is a call, you need like 32% equity to make it neutral EV. Vs a top 5% range, you're almost spot on. Chances are miniscule you'll get a +EV opportunity anyway, so get it in.

JammyDodga 11-13-2007 06:10 AM

Re: Short stack problems FTOPS $1K
 
any reads on UTG+1 for hand 4? I think 1-3 are definite folds, and 4 is just a pokerstove problem, put him on a range and work out your equity from that, and take a little bit off because BB is still to act.

JMSlick 11-13-2007 08:45 AM

Re: Short stack problems FTOPS $1K
 
1-2 definite folds. 3 - probably fold, but depends upon the table. If we have a tight table, I might raise 3xBB and see what happens. Folding is my normal play early position with this hand though. Last hand, i'm getting my chips in.

TwistedEcho 11-13-2007 08:47 AM

Re: Short stack problems FTOPS $1K
 
I'd shove 1 and 3, and get allin on 4

Soulman 11-13-2007 08:59 AM

Re: Short stack problems FTOPS $1K
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'd shove 1 and 3, and get allin on 4

[/ QUOTE ]
Shoving 100% in 1 is correct? No tools here, so I'll have to take your SNG experienced word for it...

On reflection I agree that 3 is an ok shove with stack considerations, it has to be close though.

hasuuser 11-13-2007 09:37 AM

Re: Short stack problems FTOPS $1K
 
Shove 1,3. Fold 2. Call 4.

furfur 11-13-2007 10:22 AM

Re: Short stack problems FTOPS $1K
 
1. push...ur very short and have a good chance of taking the blinds here, which are big% of ur stack
2. &amp; 3. While both are close, ur just too likely to get called by better hand w/ that many opponents left to act. I'd wait on these
4. push. ur likely crushed but u really can't wait any longer. At least u may be able to go heads up if BB folds. With that few chips, going heads up with a decent hand is about the best u can hope for.

Rocco 11-13-2007 10:50 AM

Re: Short stack problems FTOPS $1K
 
1. A definite push for me.
2-3. My shortstack game has improved since I stopped shoving weak aces from early positions.
4. Re-raise 30 more, he might fold [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] You're too short to fold this IMO.


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