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Pokerntutweh 11-12-2007 01:37 PM

NL 100 So i decided to make a stand.. really bad?
 
My image is tag 24/20 this session..
Villian is running 21/17 and we 3 bet each a fair amount in other sessions. But this session its the first time, but other players 3 bets me alot and i folded everytime, so i called this time..i know its bad because i was MP, so he wont be 3 bet so light..Is it ok when i am Button?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($124.06)
Button ($104.41)
SB ($99)
BB ($126.86)
UTG ($64.33)
Hero ($146.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $10.

Flop: ($29) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $20</font>, Hero raises to $146.50 (All-In), SB calls $98.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($266) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($266) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $266

ikestoys 11-12-2007 01:38 PM

Re: NL 100 So i decided to make a stand.. really bad?
 
yes vbad

sightless 11-12-2007 01:46 PM

Re: NL 100 So i decided to make a stand.. really bad?
 
just start 4betting him small

Stonewalled 11-12-2007 01:51 PM

Re: NL 100 So i decided to make a stand.. really bad?
 
Bad time to take a stand. If you're going to do it, I would rather you 4-bet light pre-flop, making it about $35-$40 to go, folding to a shove.

I wouldn't do it on the flop, b/c any c/r with significant fold equity is going to commit you to the pot if he shoves. Also, b/c there's more money in by the time of the flop, it will be less likely that he will fold -- so again, if you're going to run a bluff here, do it preflop where your fold equity is higher.

Pokerntutweh 11-12-2007 02:23 PM

Re: NL 100 So i decided to make a stand.. really bad?
 
yes sometimes i 4 bet,but i wanted to mix mixit up a bit...
So is it just general very bad or is there a chance it could be +EV vs more laggy players?
I read about adjustments to 3 bets, there i found advices to call lighter and bluff a lot of Flops..isnt this a decent Flop/ Situation for that play??
Or is this Hand too weak for that and i cant call vs anybody profitable? Are there Hands which are better to call with?

Stonewalled 11-12-2007 02:33 PM

Re: NL 100 So i decided to make a stand.. really bad?
 
[ QUOTE ]
yes sometimes i 4 bet,but i wanted to mix mixit up a bit...
So is it just general very bad or is there a chance it could be +EV vs more laggy players?
I read about adjustments to 3 bets, there i found advices to call lighter and bluff a lot of Flops..isnt this a decent Flop/ Situation for that play??
Or is this Hand too weak for that and i cant call vs anybody profitable? Are there Hands which are better to call with?

[/ QUOTE ]

Mixing it up is obviously good, but in order to bluff the flop I would want to be deeper stacked. Here, Villain has 1/3 of his stack in on the flop -- not a good time to bluff him.

Since you're bluffing, it's not about which two cards you have, although I at least like that you have some outs.

TheJokerIsWild 11-12-2007 02:36 PM

Re: NL 100 So i decided to make a stand.. really bad?
 
Yes, it's bad. Also, you consider yourself a TAG running at 24/20? I wouldn't view you as that.

billybeartku 11-12-2007 03:09 PM

Re: NL 100 So i decided to make a stand.. really bad?
 
fold pre please. I just don't think A3s plays well in a RR pot

GTSamIAm 11-12-2007 03:27 PM

Re: NL 100 So i decided to make a stand.. really bad?
 
If you keep getting 3-bet light, you should probably leave the table. And if you plan on shoving this hand, you should consider shoving it preflop along with all your other Ax's to a 3-bet if you want to take a stand.

I like the comment someone else made about its not what you have, its what the opponent has. Most players won't fold an overpair in this spot. And using combinatorics and the fact you're getting 3-bet light, it's a little more likely your opponent has a pair he's not folding to something like AK. 16 AK, 6 for each pair; do the math.

Some9 11-12-2007 03:34 PM

Re: NL 100 So i decided to make a stand.. really bad?
 
hero has plenty of equity and folds out maybe half of villains range. I like.


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