Extracting Value-Top set vs PF raiser
 

Villain solid TAG 20/15/1.3 > 110 hands. Should I c/r the flop or c/c here and wait until later streets in case he has AK? If I c/r here that screams set on such a patheticly dry board. What are your thoughts?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $16.35
CO: $37.15
BTN: $5.35
Hero (SB): $25.10
BB: $18.95
UTG: $37.50

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, MP folds, CO calls $1, BTN calls $1, Hero calls $0.90, BB folds

Flop: ($4.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $3.25</font>, 2 folds, Hero ...

Re: Extracting Value-Top set vs PF raiser
 

I think I prefer check/call unless you have been attacking this villian lately and/or if you've check/raised bluffed him on similar dry boards in the past or at least think that with the image of you he sees he'd think it's pretty possible.

Re: Extracting Value-Top set vs PF raiser
 

Now what?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $16.35
CO: $37.15
BTN: $5.35
Hero (SB): $25.10
BB: $18.95
UTG: $37.50

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, MP folds, CO calls $1, BTN calls $1, Hero calls $0.90, BB folds

Flop: ($4.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $3.25</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.25

Turn: ($10.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($10.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero ...

Re: Extracting Value-Top set vs PF raiser
 

In general just call and probably check turn also. The pot will be $10+ after call so you don't have to build one really, if he has anything or spikes/bluffs you will stack him off.

edit: Now bet obv and he's going to fold like 80% of the time because he has nothing.

Re: Extracting Value-Top set vs PF raiser
 

As played I check the turn again. He's either got nothing, TT+ or some Q....well maybe like 88/77 also or possibly 55/33.


If you check the turn he'll bet a Q...gives him a chance to bet nothing, and maybe he bets one of those pairs.


If he bets the turn I call....then I lead river with a valuebet.


If he checks behind on turn I may do the above or I may go for a check/raise since he will fold his nothings to a bet, if he has a Q or a lower set we're getting it in anyway and after hero chesks all 3 streets he's gonna valuebet KK/AA and maybe JJ/TT. The only downside I see to this is if he has the TT and decided to check behind river instead of getting some more value. But I think against this player this is optimal.





Eeerily similar situation (Note: I only led flop because I was doing something on another table and looked back at the hand when the flop came out and assumed I was the pre-flop raiser when in actuality I was not.):




Villian is 22/18/4.57 postlfop agg. over 790 hands since Nov 1st


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($130.95)
Button ($308.10)
Hero ($261.85)
BB ($101.45)
UTG ($98.50)
MP ($303.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $4</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($13) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $9.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $30</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $20.50.

Turn: ($73) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($73) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $125</font>, MP calls $75.

Final Pot: $323