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rivermetimbers 11-12-2007 12:49 AM

getting more value from top set
 
I seem to have trouble here, or so i think. Tell me what I did poorly here. Should I shove the river?

PokerStars Game #13188869921: Tournament #66928511, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/11/11 - 23:44:26 (ET)
Table '66928511 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: kb1000 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: shmu529 (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: Ewaniuk (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: NaddaHickman (1570 in chips)
Seat 5: DIMELLO (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: radfrobot (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: AA Dr J (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: hitorque (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Smorg7-11 (1480 in chips)
Ewaniuk: posts small blind 10
NaddaHickman: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shmu529 [Ac Ad]
DIMELLO: calls 20
radfrobot: folds
AA Dr J: folds
hitorque: calls 20
Smorg7-11: calls 20
kb1000: raises 20 to 40
shmu529: raises 160 to 200
Ewaniuk: folds
NaddaHickman: folds
DIMELLO: calls 180
hitorque: folds
Smorg7-11: calls 180
kb1000: calls 160
*** FLOP *** [Ah 2c 5d]
DIMELLO: checks
Smorg7-11: checks
kb1000: checks
shmu529: checks
*** TURN *** [Ah 2c 5d] [Ks]
DIMELLO: checks
Smorg7-11: checks
kb1000: checks
shmu529: bets 350
DIMELLO: folds
Smorg7-11: folds
kb1000: calls 350
*** RIVER *** [Ah 2c 5d Ks] [As]
kb1000: checks
shmu529: bets 550
kb1000: calls 550
*** SHOW DOWN ***
shmu529: shows [Ac Ad] (four of a kind, Aces)
kb1000: mucks hand
shmu529 collected 2650 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2650 | Rake 0
Board [Ah 2c 5d Ks As]
Seat 1: kb1000 mucked [3h 3c]
Seat 2: shmu529 (button) showed [Ac Ad] and won (2650) with four of a kind, Aces
Seat 3: Ewaniuk (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: NaddaHickman (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: DIMELLO folded on the Turn
Seat 6: radfrobot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: AA Dr J folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: hitorque folded before Flop
Seat 9: Smorg7-11 folded on the Turn

Kevin8423 11-12-2007 01:07 AM

Re: getting more value from top set
 
Bet the flop so by the river you can get all in. As played its fine, shoving the river is more likely to get folds.

Just keep in mind that any player who missed this flop isn't likely to make a strong hand on the turn. So by betting the flop you start to build your pot early against anyone who wants to play and you fold out people with nothing.. but they are likely to have nothing the entire hand anyway.

Buckk Dich 11-12-2007 01:16 AM

Re: getting more value from top set
 
I'd say you did ok, you got pocket 3's to put 900 chips in on that board, lol.

Personally, I would have made a "probe bet" on the flop of about 1/3rd the pot, since it may look like a positional cbet.

That way I can bet on the other streets to look like i'm firing barrels or trying to protect an exposable hand.

Depending on how many chips I/Villain had I may shove river.

HajiShirazu 11-12-2007 02:58 AM

Re: getting more value from top set
 
Pot is so big on the flop and there are no scare cards so you only need two streets to get the money in. Just bet a little more on the river (shove) bc I think a pair of kings and maybe worse calls you every time at these stakes.

sean457j 11-12-2007 11:01 AM

Re: getting more value from top set
 
I think it is fine to check the flop and give the field an extra opportunity to hit a card or try to steal the pot. I am probably shoving the river. The villain has got most of his stack in at this point, so he's probably calling. Also I always prefer not to show down my cards if I have a choice.


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