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binarysmil 11-11-2007 03:35 PM

15$ JJ early when reraised preflop and good flop.
 
Hi,
No tells, just starting.
I sharked villain though, -12%, lost 3K
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) by Hand Converter CG

MP1 (t1670)
Hero (t1560)
MP3 (t1480)
CO (t1580)
Button (t1470)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1260)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
[color=#666666]2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t20, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to t100</font>, [color=#CC3333]MP3 raises to t400</font>, [color=#666666]4 folds</font>, MP1 folds, Hero calls t300.

Flop: (t850) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets t1160 (All-In)</font>, MP3 calls t1080 (All-In).

Turn: (t3090) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t3090) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3090

Any comments appreciated.

Kevin8423 11-11-2007 03:37 PM

Re: 15$ JJ early when reraised preflop and good flop.
 
I'm shoving preflop here almost always, however if you decide to flat call you are probably better off check/raising then shoving. He could call regardless, but shoving is much more likely to get him off missed overcards and to call with overpairs, while if you check he is likely to bet a fair amount regardless of his holding.

binarysmil 11-11-2007 03:40 PM

Re: 15$ JJ early when reraised preflop and good flop.
 
Everyone thinks its +EV to shove preflop (or on the flop, whatever) 100% of the time with JJ after being reraised preflop ?

Kevin8423 11-11-2007 03:42 PM

Re: 15$ JJ early when reraised preflop and good flop.
 
Against unknowns its definitley +EV.

eurythmech 11-11-2007 03:44 PM

Re: 15$ JJ early when reraised preflop and good flop.
 
JJ is usually a muck preflop there.

vers 11-11-2007 03:47 PM

Re: 15$ JJ early when reraised preflop and good flop.
 
against a losing player I am shoving. Flatting is the worst option I'd say and if you're going to flat and get a good flop, CR is better b/c at the minimum you'll probably gain a cbet.

binarysmil 11-11-2007 04:05 PM

Re: 15$ JJ early when reraised preflop and good flop.
 
By "preflop there" you mean preflop after a reraise ?

Scotty_12 11-11-2007 04:08 PM

Re: 15$ JJ early when reraised preflop and good flop.
 
Agree that if all our chips are going in on the flop a CRAI is infinitely better than a shove. I think preflop is a shove vs that villian

eurythmech 11-11-2007 04:09 PM

Re: 15$ JJ early when reraised preflop and good flop.
 
[ QUOTE ]
By "preflop there" you mean preflop after a reraise ?

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yeah, obv

Magnus1092 11-11-2007 04:44 PM

Re: 15$ JJ early when reraised preflop and good flop.
 
Preflop: Push or fold. I choose Fold, no need to get frisky with JJ. Even tho he is a losing player your more likely to be facing a race or he has you crushed. There is a chance he has 22-TT but what the hell. No need too risk it on JJ.


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