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mondonman 11-10-2007 10:17 AM

$22 QQ reraised, JT9 flop
 
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t30/t60
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1160
UTG+1: t1820
Hero: t5770
MP2: t3520
CO: t1900
Button: t1790
SB: t2040
BB: t2000

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t240</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises to t420</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls t180 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t750)</font>.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t930, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets t660</font>, Hero folds

Just one hand earlier I had AA and won a big pot three-handed.
Fairly readless. First time with villain. I have not seen him play a hand so far.

ger664 11-10-2007 10:32 AM

Re: $22 QQ reraised, JT9 flop
 
Then how did villian mange to get his stack to ~t3500 ?

This is a tough spot but i really think you should not be readless here. With a read you could maybe reshove/3-Bet this Pre as u are OOP for the rest hand.

Flop You are behind everything except AK on that flop but you do have outs. Considering both have deep stacks I do not think it would be $EV to proceed at this point as you are going to be playing for stacks here.

marimba man 11-10-2007 10:33 AM

Re: $22 QQ reraised, JT9 flop
 
How can you fold this? Std push, you have 10 outs plus backdoor vs. KK/AA, you haven't played with villain before so his range is wider than that...

mondonman 11-10-2007 10:41 AM

Re: $22 QQ reraised, JT9 flop
 
[ QUOTE ]
Then how did villian mange to get his stack to ~t3500 ?

This is a tough spot but i really think you should not be readless here.

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IŽd prefer not being readless I can assure you. But it is as it is. I have no idea how villain acquired the stack which is not uncommon when multi-tabling IMO. I did not even have VPIP and PFR on him at that time.

ger664 11-10-2007 10:58 AM

Re: $22 QQ reraised, JT9 flop
 
[ QUOTE ]
How can you fold this? Std push, you have 10 outs plus backdoor vs. KK/AA, you haven't played with villain before so his range is wider than that...

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You are also now behind 99,TT,JJ as well on that flop.
You need more then 51% equity in this spot if called. With all the outs u do have it does not make up the short fall. For this to be good villian has to fold 50% or more against your shove.

LerkEr 11-10-2007 11:15 AM

Re: $22 QQ reraised, JT9 flop
 
ez shove.

ger664 11-10-2007 01:22 PM

Re: $22 QQ reraised, JT9 flop
 
[ QUOTE ]
ez shove.

[/ QUOTE ]

Explain to us mere mortals why this is such an ez shove.

MauMau 11-10-2007 02:03 PM

Re: $22 QQ reraised, JT9 flop
 
i am playing those 22$ sngs too on party - normally i shove here preflop after the reraise - as played no way i fold on the flop - too often the party guys play ak, aq, aj, at or underpairs that way

Buckk Dich 11-10-2007 02:12 PM

Re: $22 QQ reraised, JT9 flop
 
I would have shoved preflop as well, 3rd best hand in the game and he'll probably call, and if he doesn't, then you pick up some chips anyway.


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