QQ hits a decent board
 

Button is a pretty solid reg, UTG is a total moron

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$17.65</font>)
UTG+1 (<font color="#0000cc">$25.70</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$18.55</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$25.45</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$5.85</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$25.00</font>)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.25, <font color="#cc0000">BTN raises to $1.8</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4.25</font>, UTG calls $4, <font color="#777777">CO folds</font>, BTN calls $2.45

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($13.1, 3 players)


So what's my plan here, bet/fold? Check-raise (I doubt this is getting one street around without someone betting)? Bet/3-bet?

I'm totally unafraid of UTG, he's the kind of guy who's holding something like A7o here (and probably willing to shove with the 7). The button is a little more trouble. He might be on AA/KK, or he might have JJ, but he's also the kind to call with suited connectors/AK, maybe AQ, and would take a shot at it.

Re: QQ hits a decent board
 

My default would be to lead for $10 or so, with the plan of getting the rest in on the turn (or getting the rest in when I called someone else's flop raise [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]). But if, based on your read, you're confident someone is going to bet, then checkraising is probably the superior play.

I mean, realistically, a flop lead for $10 is frequently simply going to take it down, so if you can get someone to take a stab instead with a far inferior hand, then that's good.

Re: QQ hits a decent board
 

Well, the problem is that I don't know where I stand vs. UTG's range. But I guess with this much in the pot, and SOMEONE (whether it be me or him) betting, there's pretty much no way to fold, right?

Re: QQ hits a decent board
 

i don't think you can bet\fold this. bet/call or check raise.

Re: QQ hits a decent board
 

I think I just hate QQ/JJ. Usually when I get flat called with them I end up stacking myself to a bigger overpair.

Re: QQ hits a decent board
 

i open shove. if we lead for 10 we shouldnt be folding to any raise getting the odds we would be. there arent a lot of turn cards we will like, and i think a shove gets us called really light a good amount of the time.

Re: QQ hits a decent board
 

How can you bet fold? If you make a decent bet you have committed 60%+ of your stack already and can't fold on this type of board.

Since it was 3-bet PF with 3-callers it becomes more problematic, but still you are essentially committed with this type of flop. I bet and get it AI either here or on the turn, I'd probably bet pot then bet your last 8 or whatever on the turn regardless.

Re: QQ hits a decent board
 

bet fold since button raised it up good then flatcalled. His range is probably AK and jj+ or called pp for setvalue. Then if he figts back your always beat.

Re: QQ hits a decent board
 

[ QUOTE ]
bet fold since button raised it up good then flatcalled. His range is probably AK and jj+ or called pp for setvalue. Then if he figts back your always beat.

[/ QUOTE ]

You realize the stack sizes right? What amount do you bet here if you are going to fold?

Re: QQ hits a decent board
 

I would guess that if villan is a solid reg, then he would not usually cold-call a 3bet with AA or KK. I would lead this flop and probably call a raise.