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Little John 11-09-2007 02:16 PM

$60 - open button limping L7
 
i dont know, pushing seemed light, raise/folding seemed like a waste because i was gonna be priced in if bb pushed. sb/bb are what i would call new winning regulars at the 60's. the are both on the aggro side.

also, the converer got messed up. this is L7 with a 25 chips ante.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG (t1605)
MP1 (t1640)
MP2 (t1005)
CO (t1230)
Hero (t2740)
SB (t3195)
BB (t2085)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls t200, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (t675) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t350</font>

TruFloridaGator 11-09-2007 02:20 PM

Re: $60 - open button limping L7
 
Mandatory bet once you limp. It's a nice pot to take so I like it a lot.

kleath 11-09-2007 03:11 PM

Re: $60 - open button limping L7
 
I hate pf, Id lean towards raising but I think if raising isnt good you should be folding. flop looks good.

Pudge714 11-09-2007 03:27 PM

Re: $60 - open button limping L7
 
Shoving pre is probably unexploitable with antes.

MATT238 11-09-2007 03:38 PM

Re: $60 - open button limping L7
 
Stacks look a little deep to shove. I'm raising and folding to a shove. Folding is an option too.

suzzer99 11-09-2007 03:51 PM

Re: $60 - open button limping L7
 
Just keep in mind if you're gonna do this, you have to do it a monster every now and then.

ger664 11-09-2007 03:57 PM

Re: $60 - open button limping L7
 
I shove this with antes in play, particulaly against Aggressive blinds.

Scotty_12 11-09-2007 07:21 PM

Re: $60 - open button limping L7
 
I also think a preflop shove is in order vs winning regulars here - How wide do you think they would call you here? With 13% its pretty easy to push ,and i doubt they call that wide

Little John 11-10-2007 10:45 AM

Re: $60 - open button limping L7
 
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I also think a preflop shove is in order vs winning regulars here - How wide do you think they would call you here? With 13% its pretty easy to push ,and i doubt they call that wide

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i thought pushing may be a tad light but here are some numbers:

put sb/bb calling on 44+,A7s+,A8o+,KTs+,KJo+ then pushing is .1%. that looks pretty reasonable. if these guy actually knew my range they should be tighter but they never really are.

i had a long time regular call me in a similar spot with A2o the other day (minus790). i talked to him about it because i knew it was an awful call vs my range, and he said he thought i was pushing top 65%.

i know these button limps are kinda odd, but i think they are ok from time to time. limping leaves me with a decent stack for c-betting.

CheeseMoney 11-10-2007 03:22 PM

Re: $60 - open button limping L7
 
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Shoving pre is probably unexploitable with antes.

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I'd think its pretty exploitable. Ran this in SNGWiz and shoving here is pretty neutral EV if you've got SB calling top 15%, BB calling same, and only overcalling like top 5%. However, 15% is pretty loose and involves calling with a lot of weak aces. If you think SB is tight and BB is loose (SB on AJ+, ATs+, 77+) and keep BB on same 15% (A8o+, A4s+, KTs+, 33+), this becomes pretty hugely +EV as a shove-- as long as SB is tight, it doesn't really matter what BB's calling range is here.


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