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metamath 11-09-2007 11:21 AM

100NL... Playing a Monster Draw
 
Villain is 30/25 over a small sample. No reason to believe he's a drooler...

I have a bad habit of overplaying these types of hands and wanted some feedback on this one in particular...

Villain raises UTG to 3.5, I 3bet [Ac, Qc] OTB to 11, Blinds fold, Villain calls.

Flop: [10s, 3c, Kc] (23.50)

Villain bets 18, I...?

thac 11-09-2007 11:25 AM

Re: 100NL... Playing a Monster Draw
 
Raise to 55-60ish

spivey 11-09-2007 11:32 AM

Re: 100NL... Playing a Monster Draw
 
I just shove, becasue I don't mind him folding anything like QQ or even KQ if he happened to call with that.

thac 11-09-2007 11:37 AM

Re: 100NL... Playing a Monster Draw
 
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I just shove, becasue I don't mind him folding anything like QQ or even KQ if he happened to call with that.

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Yeah, somehow I was thinking this was 1/2.. shove it in.

orange 11-09-2007 11:41 AM

Re: 100NL... Playing a Monster Draw
 
shove

Chicago Twister 11-09-2007 11:47 AM

Re: 100NL... Playing a Monster Draw
 
if youre 100 deep or less then shove

if your'e much deeper there might be another play

Symbolic 11-09-2007 12:10 PM

Re: 100NL... Playing a Monster Draw
 
Assuming 100bb stacks this is a clear push. You have 12 outs, sometimes more, and plenty of fold equity. When you get called it's gonna be a flip and sometimes you take the pot now.

xd40 11-09-2007 12:13 PM

Re: 100NL... Playing a Monster Draw
 
rainbow flop, changes anything?

spivey 11-09-2007 12:13 PM

Re: 100NL... Playing a Monster Draw
 
Of course it changes things.

NCSU_Wolfpack 11-09-2007 12:20 PM

Re: 100NL... Playing a Monster Draw
 
So my first thought was to insta-shove, but then I started going through
villian's range. Sorry I don't have poker stove in front of me but
let's say his range is AK, 99-QQ, and less so based on not getting 4 bet
KK-AA. If we shove (especially if we are deep)
then I only see us folding out worse hands in terms of pot equity (under pairs to a K),
and risking a lot for the smallish size pot,
whereas we are only going to get called by hands that we are pretty much behind on.

so if our villian has the below holdings we are playing for stacks with the worst of it,
and if he has a club, then it even makes it worse.
10
AK
AA
KK

I only see us folding out:
99
JJ
QQ


So to me shoving seems kind of spewy. Since you have position, why not call the flop bet,
which could just be a c-bet, and re-evaulate on the turn. If you didn't have position then
I might have a different opinion, since he might put you on a draw, depending how you play it.

Feedback on my analyzis.


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