100NL: TP meh kicker. Valuetown...but who\'s taking who?
 

Not much history w/ villain, but he's one of the reasons I'm at the table. 44/18/2.8 and he's pretty passive postflop. Likes to take stabs at orphan pots, but pretty much just passive unless he has a monster. When he does, you hear about it on the turn (4.5AF on turn).

My image is pretty TAG-ish and had had a few big hands hold up, hence the stack size, so nothing too out of line.

The question here is bet-sizing and what to make of his donk (blocking?) bet on the river and how to play it from there.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): $354.30
BTN: $158.40
SB: $118.15
BB: $96.80
UTG: $98.50
MP: $194.50

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, MP calls $1, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5</font>, 3 folds, MP calls $4

Flop: ($11.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $8.50</font>, MP calls $8.50

Turn: ($28.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $19</font>, MP calls $19

River: ($66.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $22</font>, <font color="red">Hero ???</font>

Re: 100NL: TP meh kicker. Valuetown...but who\'s taking who?
 

I hate these spots, have alot of trouble with them myself..I think a big part of his range is Jx. He won't show up with a draw.

Given odds, I call and won't be surprised if he has AT or J9.

Re: 100NL: TP meh kicker. Valuetown...but who\'s taking who?
 

I don't see too much that he limp/calls with and then calls flop and turn.
With your read of him getting agressive on the turn with a hand I'd say Jx or a pair under the J are the most interesting hands.
Of the limp/callable hands you beat J8, 77, 88 on the river and tie JT. With your read I'm discounting 22/66.
He could very well have [99, JT, J9, J8] 77/88 would still make sense up untill the river. Vs donkish players I don't treat a 1/3 PSB as a protective bet too often.
Given odds I'd call.
Any reads on how he plays his middle pairs?

Re: 100NL: TP meh kicker. Valuetown...but who\'s taking who?
 

You can't fold this getting 4:1. He has a J a lot (sometimes J9) maybe like TT or something or even 54/53/43 at a long shot. It's no fistpump but I'm sure sure you're good &gt;20% of the time here.

Re: 100NL: TP meh kicker. Valuetown...but who\'s taking who?
 

Obviously he aint thinking of folding? He's thinking of valueraising, the only trouble is that villain probably wont call to much with hands you beat, with a hand like AJ I definitely raise here, but TJ is kinda the crossover spot, I'm just calling here altough I don't hate on small raise. WP to the river by the way.

Re: 100NL: TP meh kicker. Valuetown...but who\'s taking who?
 

Yep, looked as if he raised the river here.

Id just call given the odds. 20% is def ok to find a call here. Id say he often just has any j or a midpair.

Re: 100NL: TP meh kicker. Valuetown...but who\'s taking who?
 

I dont really like ur turn bet, as played just call the river hoping he has a worse jack, or some mid pp - def not a snapler though since he is going to have a better jack a decent amount of the time but not enough given pot odds id say.

Re: 100NL: TP meh kicker. Valuetown...but who\'s taking who?
 

I think he is taking you too valuetown, I would never raise in this spot. Just close your eyes and calls. I agree that some times he would show with J8s, J7s given his stats

Re: 100NL: TP meh kicker. Valuetown...but who\'s taking who?
 

He would miss out alot of value by not betting turn, come on? And if you're not going to raise river it's a no-brainer call, 4:1 and villains range is still wide and we beat most of it?

Re: 100NL: TP meh kicker. Valuetown...but who\'s taking who?
 

I dont think you make any money by folding in these spots. he'll show you some goofy J or 88/77, or even something like 5h4h the 20%+ of time he needs to.