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burns-1986 11-08-2007 11:26 PM

25nl how do you play this big draw?
 
I'll start this by saying im new to nl cash so i wasnt really sure how to play this. The original raiser is a donk so ive been trying to take flops against him with playable hands, the bb is a solid tag who I havent gotten involved with in any big pots, thoughts on all streets

PokerStars Game #13125014002: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/11/08 - 21:55:34 (ET)
Table 'Proserpina' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: shakul ($28.70 in chips)
Seat 2: ShawnyRotten ($29.40 in chips)
Seat 3: Bucket Biff ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 4: burns1986 ($43.70 in chips)
Seat 5: Romeo369 ($84.45 in chips)
Seat 6: PoOcHeD ($8.75 in chips)
burns1986: posts small blind $0.10
Romeo369: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to burns1986 [Js Qs]
PoOcHeD: folds
shakul said, "tx im a junkie"
shakul: raises $0.25 to $0.50
ShawnyRotten: calls $0.50
Bucket Biff: folds
burns1986: calls $0.40
Romeo369: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Ks 9c 7s]
burns1986: checks
Romeo369: checks
shakul: bets $2.50
ShawnyRotten: folds
burns1986: calls $2.50
Romeo369: raises $3.50 to $6
shakul: calls $3.50
burns1986: calls $3.50
*** TURN *** [Ks 9c 7s] [3h]
burns1986: checks
Romeo369: bets $15
shakul: folds
burns1986: folds
Romeo369 collected $19.05 from pot
Romeo369: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20 | Rake $0.95
Board [Ks 9c 7s 3h]
Seat 1: shakul folded on the Turn
Seat 2: ShawnyRotten folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Bucket Biff (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: burns1986 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: Romeo369 (big blind) collected ($19.05)
Seat 6: PoOcHeD folded before Flop (didn't bet)

hanover 11-08-2007 11:32 PM

Re: 25nl how do you play this big draw?
 
Please convert your hands before you post them here. (Check the FAQ for hand converters)
I'm bored so I did yours for you.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $28.70
CO: $29.40
BTN: $24.90
Hero (SB): $43.70
BB: $84.45
UTG: $8.75

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $0.50</font>, CO calls $0.50, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($2) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="red">MP bets $2.50</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $2.50, <font color="red">BB raises to $6</font>, MP calls $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($20) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $15</font>, 2 folds

Results: $20 Pot ($0.95 Rake)
BB mucked and WON $19.05 (+$12.55 NET)

Mase31683 11-08-2007 11:45 PM

Re: 25nl how do you play this big draw?
 
Thanks Hanover, that was nice of you.

Preflop is fine, take a cheap flop with a drawing hand. On the flop you've got 12 outs with your flush and gutshot draws, so calling a pot-size bet is fine imo. Calling the BB's raise is fine, anyone condone a possible shove here? We're 45% to hit the hand anyway, is there any FE at these levels? I like the shove fwiw. Then on the turn bets $15 at $20, so giving you 2.3:1 and the actual odds of catching are 2.8:1. If you call here and hit, you're left with $22 which he may call a shove with he may not, and you're oop. Folding's not terrible here, it's marginal either way.

hanover 11-08-2007 11:56 PM

Re: 25nl how do you play this big draw?
 
If MP is the kind of donk that's going to bet out if checked to, I'd prefer a large c/r rather than a c/c.

As played ... calling the BB's c/r is great here. You're getting great odds to hit your flush or gutshot. Pushing is ng here .. 0 FE and you're a significant dog to 2pr or a set.

Once you miss on the turn, c/f is good.

Shaqalicious 11-08-2007 11:58 PM

Re: 25nl how do you play this big draw?
 
interesting hand.

i shove these hands on the flop a lot. cold calling the re-raise on the flop essentially telegraphs that you are on a draw, as a set or 2 pair would be shoving all day. youre a coinflip with basically every hand on the flop and it's so sick for table image (ZOMG I SAW THAT GUY GO ALL IN WITH A FLUSH DRAW HES A MANIAC) that when you shove made hands you'll get paid off.


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