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matrix 11-08-2007 08:26 PM

AQs on 222 flop vs calling station.
 
Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $50.13
CO: $75.08
BTN: $36.12
Hero (SB): $52.48
BB: $157.66
UTG: $76.20

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, BTN calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, BB calls $2, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($7.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $5

Turn: ($17.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $9</font>, BTN calls $9

River: ($35.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $14</font>, Hero [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I had the impression that I was value betting the flop and the turn.

Villain is unknown Party donk. (not enough hands - but looks like a 35/5/1 ish kind of player after ~25)

Did I just get 6 outted? - does he actually have the case 2 or turned a boat?

How often am I good here??

answers on a postcard...

CrAcK_N_CoKe 11-08-2007 08:34 PM

Re: AQs on 222 flop vs calling station.
 
i think i call for the information.Its a really good hand to see how he think , seriously.
You can catch a bluff and learn that he bluff after his floating.
You can be beat by a 3 or a 7 and learn that he float BIG TIME
Maybe he got a small pocket pairs 2.

bozzer 11-08-2007 08:34 PM

Re: AQs on 222 flop vs calling station.
 
what? he obviously has a house (pocket pair), c/f turn and don't look back.

kaz2107 11-08-2007 08:35 PM

Re: AQs on 222 flop vs calling station.
 
i dont think u can fold here. im pretty sure villian has 33+ most of the time here and occassionally the case 2 somehow. people NEVER fold a boat so i dont think i would 2nd barrel here since imo he isnt folding n e pair and he has a pair preflop a good chunk of the time.

i kno u only have to be good like 25% of the time but does he really get to the river with complete air and then attempt a river bluff

CrAcK_N_CoKe 11-08-2007 08:37 PM

Re: AQs on 222 flop vs calling station.
 
Yeah it really looks like he had 55-66-88-99 and was *waiting to see the other card*.Then after all the cards were small he value bet it.I still think its a good *info hand* , a call is not horrible IMO.

Speedlimits 11-08-2007 08:46 PM

Re: AQs on 222 flop vs calling station.
 
dont even cbet this flop
turn is bad
fold river

vixticator 11-08-2007 09:02 PM

Re: AQs on 222 flop vs calling station.
 
Being OOP sucks here. There is definitely value betting the flop if he's bad, I see people peeling ATC here a lot. Same on turn, that is very unlikely to have hit him. The only problem is you are OOP and can't value bet the river UI... but are likely to get bluffed / value bet if you check. Don't know now that he bets. Folding is prob best. Really depends how wide you think he is peeling two streets AND if he will bluff river UI, need both of those to call. I would if both of these are likely true. Otherwise, no.

Baintz 11-08-2007 10:39 PM

Re: AQs on 222 flop vs calling station.
 
If you're going to double barrel here, then I think you need to triple it, as a random Party donk is definitley calling 2 streets with a PP here, given the turn was pretty harmless.
If you are betting turn, it needs to be higher. If you had a high PP, wouldn't you be betting more knowing that most donks can't fold a boat?

That said, I just give up on turn unless opponent is a thinking player, and judging by his stats and open limp on the button, he isn't.

Phytopath 11-08-2007 10:51 PM

Re: AQs on 222 flop vs calling station.
 
Against a station I give up, he'll never fold a pocket pair on this board. I like the Cbet, but give up on the turn. Call with the correct odds for your 6-outer but that's about it.


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