is it ok to Shove here ?
 

1,20 9max MTT
found this old HH and just wanted to ask about it
dont know if i reads back then

just wondering if this shove is ok ?

PokerStars Game #12260845062: Tournament #62223573, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/09/25 - 11:41:10 (ET)
Table '62223573 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: fallin_apart (1365 in chips)
Seat 2: luckysuzy(Q) (2150 in chips)
Seat 3: pokermjp (2900 in chips)
Seat 4: GR33K_78 (3450 in chips)
Seat 5: TK2525 (1740 in chips)
Seat 6: NinaPT (4410 in chips)
Seat 7: STORM-WEL (3875 in chips)
Seat 8: svenson1987 (1370 in chips)
Seat 9: Joachim78 (5740 in chips)
fallin_apart: posts small blind 25
luckysuzy(Q): posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to svenson1987 [Ac Tc]
pokermjp: folds
GR33K_78: folds
TK2525: folds
NinaPT: calls 50
STORM-WEL: folds
svenson1987: calls 50
Joachim78: calls 50
fallin_apart: calls 25
luckysuzy(Q): checks
*** FLOP *** [Ts 4s 9s]
fallin_apart: bets 300
luckysuzy(Q): folds
NinaPT: folds
svenson1987: raises 1020 to 1320 and is all-in

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Re: is it ok to Shove here ?
 

You are either drawing almost dead or are at best 60% to win against any hand with a spade. Against only one opponent you would probably be ahead and I might make this play but against 4 I would have a tough time because of the possibility of a made flush.

I probably don't call PF though.

Re: is it ok to Shove here ?
 

Jesus Christ!

Fold that trash pf, especially don't CALL with it in LP!

Either go with a read that the limpers are weak and attack
with a nice raise or fold.

Shoving over an EPs bet into a field of 100 people with
just TP on the scariest flop ever is atrocious, sorry.

Post more hands, and learn with us.

-ZEN

Re: is it ok to Shove here ?
 

why it so bad to limp here with ATs at 25/50 ?

and dont worry i know its not personal [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: is it ok to Shove here ?
 

I have a feeling you are limping a lot with these
suited hands in LP. A wise poster once said that
he wishes he NEVER entered a pot in LP with a call.

More importantly is your response to the HUGE bet
by EP into a multiway, unraised pot.

I don't ever want to go broke in an unraised pot
by calling large bets from EP on a flop that I
absolutely hate. Be the aggressor, not the caller.
(I am aware you reshoved, but stack sizes - might as well
have been a call)

-ZEN

P.S. of course not personal...tough love [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

(and I'm wrong a lot as well, FWIW)

Re: is it ok to Shove here ?
 

Your small stack in relation to the blinds is why you shouldn't limp here. If you were 100 BBs deep it would be fine as long as you don't fall in love if an A hits the flop.

Re: is it ok to Shove here ?
 

Please get your avatar fixed because, from what I remember, there's this nice fox that came along with your posts, which I was endeared by.

Yeah, fold or raise, depending on your table reads. Nothing wrong with raising here, btw, if the situation demands.

Barry

Re: is it ok to Shove here ?
 

lol yeah i havnt been on long so i its a suprise for me too that the avatar is gone [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
ill try to look it up [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]