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RobTheDuck 11-08-2007 01:15 PM

PL$25 flopped boat - where can I get more value here?
 
Please comment on all streets. I think I missed some value on the turn, but I didn't want to scare him away if he didn't have an A. Help please...

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): $28.25
BTN: $10
SB: $13.40
BB: $9.50
UTG: $58.85

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $0.75, BB folds

Flop: ($1.95) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $0.95</font>, SB calls $0.95

Turn: ($3.85) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.85) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3.85</font>, SB calls $3.85

willyc 11-08-2007 01:22 PM

Re: PL$25 flopped boat - where can I get more value here?
 
Bet more on the flop, bet the turn, and bet at least the pot on the river. If it looks like he's not going anywhere then shove.

As played shove the river. He's not folding a full house and it doesn't look like you have an ace so you'll get called by pretty much any pocket pair i think.

Logun 11-08-2007 01:25 PM

Re: PL$25 flopped boat - where can I get more value here?
 
definitely bet more on the flop 1.25 - 1.5 should be standard

Turn - bet it get more $$ in the pot. If he doesn't have an ace at this point then you won't get much from him anyways.

River - shove people cannot fold boats.

WhiteWolf 11-08-2007 01:36 PM

Re: PL$25 flopped boat - where can I get more value here?
 
Flop, bet a little, but not much more. Since paired rainbow flops are very unlikely to have hit our opponent, I normally cbet about the 1/2 pot you did, but since we have a monster we want to bet a little bit more to start building the pot.

Turn, you have the same fear everyone does when holding a monster - any bet we make is just going to cause our opponent to fold and we take down a small pot, leaving us with a deep feeling of regret. However, we should be playing for profit maximization, not regret minimization, and if we want this pot to have any chance of being a big one, we have to bet this turn. Bet enough to entice him to call if he does have an A, a newly-picked up flush draw, or perhaps some type of PP. Somewhere just below 2/3 of the pot I would guess (this is where our small flop bet hurts us a bit: increasing our bet on the turn shows strength).


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