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WantToLearn 11-08-2007 12:33 PM

NL25 turned set on ugly board line check
 
Some advice needed here, thank you very much!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($18.30)
Button ($9.80)
SB ($14.75)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($5.55)
UTG+1 ($36.20)
MP1 ($7.75)
MP2 ($25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, Button calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.10) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.25</font>, Button calls $2.25.

<font color="blue"> No specific reads, loose table. Trying a standard c-bet against one opponent. </font>

Turn: ($7.60) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

<font color="blue"> Ok that´s the spot where they get aggressiv close to every time I give up when I have nothing to continue with. So I wait for his bet. Not this time, though. </font>

River: ($7.60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $5.25</font>, Hero calls $5.25.

<font color="blue"> I´m haunted by this kind of board at the moment. Don´t know what to do now. I underreped my hand a lot at the turn. Can I call? </font>

Final Pot: $18.10

Abdullaev 11-08-2007 01:22 PM

Re: NL25 turned set on ugly board line check
 
I think you should have bet the turn here for several reasons. The strength of your hand is masked well, you still need to chase off draws, he might be a station who will stack off with TPTK, plus he's a small stack who has already put in more than a third of his stack and might be committed enough to call any turn bet. As played, you don't really know where he stands--busted flush draw, two pair, an eight. I would not fold.

ledders07 11-08-2007 01:31 PM

Re: NL25 turned set on ugly board line check
 
i understand your reasons for a check turn but if you bet you avoid this [censored] happening, or rather it happens less often as a result.

negtv capability 11-08-2007 02:43 PM

Re: NL25 turned set on ugly board line check
 
too many draws on board to check turn, so I'd just push
as played, calling river is fine; villain could be on a pair, 2 pair or bluff
I guess we should probably get that last .75-$1 or so in too.

WantToLearn 11-08-2007 04:36 PM

Re: NL25 turned set on ugly board line check
 
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I guess we should probably get that last .75-$1 or so in too.

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What good does that do? I understand calling is finde because of the money allready in the pot. But do you really think we´re still ahead the majority of time?

negtv capability 11-08-2007 04:50 PM

Re: NL25 turned set on ugly board line check
 
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What good does that do? I understand calling is finde because of the money allready in the pot. But do you really think we´re still ahead the majority of time?

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It doesn't change the equity much. I think it's still a + equity move. Yes, I think you're ahead the majority of the time here. If the bet had been 1.5 x's the size o' the pot on the river or more, then I'd likely fold, void of any real reads.

jcg2005 11-08-2007 08:56 PM

Re: NL25 turned set on ugly board line check
 
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I guess we should probably get that last .75-$1 or so in too.

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What good does that do? I understand calling is finde because of the money allready in the pot. But do you really think we´re still ahead the majority of time?

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U have underrepped ur hand so much i think its fine....

RapidEvolution 11-08-2007 09:18 PM

Re: NL25 turned set on ugly board line check
 
I agree that your hand is extremely underrepped and that you should get it in here. I also agree that when you cbet a lot, it feels like people are calling and firing on the turn almost every time (it can be damn near frustratin), but if he called flop with a Q, he'll call the turn also. He's got a psb left, so just shove him in. As played, raise the river. You'll see 2pair/lower sets/TP here enough to make this +EV.


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