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euroglot 11-08-2007 12:04 PM

0.25-0.50 hand.....KK on 4JJ board
 
0.25-0.50 full ring.

No reads on Villains.

Preflop:
UTG checks, 1 raise, 2 folds, 1 call, 2 folds, I raise from the SB with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], BB calls, everyone calls.

Flop J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]:
I bet, UTG raises, 1 call, I?

LateFlag 11-08-2007 12:11 PM

Re: 0.25-0.50 hand.....KK on 4JJ board
 
3-bet and call down if capped.

I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes, but you might want to indicate whether it was the initial preflop raiser who smooth-called the flop. I'm assuming it was.

TimovieMan 11-08-2007 12:56 PM

Re: 0.25-0.50 hand.....KK on 4JJ board
 
It appears UTG limped PF and then coldcalled two bets. Despite the fact that he's an unknown, his flop raise either indicates a jack (AJo, KJs, QJs, JTs, etc.) or pocket 4s.
And I'm putting the other PF AND flop coldcaller on a pocket pair 9->5...

I'd just go into calldown mode. C/C turn, either C/C or B/F river.

Until I see them show down a weak hand, I tend to respect unknowns...

LateFlag 11-08-2007 01:02 PM

Re: 0.25-0.50 hand.....KK on 4JJ board
 
[ QUOTE ]
It appears UTG limped PF and then coldcalled two bets. Despite the fact that he's an unknown, his flop raise either indicates a jack (AJo, KJs, QJs, JTs, etc.) or pocket 4s.

[/ QUOTE ]

Or pocket tens. Or pocket 9s. Or pocket 8s. Or pocket 7s. Or pocket 6s. Or pocket 5s. Or A4.

Fadook 11-08-2007 01:28 PM

Re: 0.25-0.50 hand.....KK on 4JJ board
 
I'd just call down. When an unknown plays back in a situation like this, it's best to get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

tyler_cracker 11-08-2007 02:32 PM

Re: 0.25-0.50 hand.....KK on 4JJ board
 
really easy 3bet y'all.

ok, wtf preflop action. did utg post? is there a raise in there? why aren't there any pot sizes?

this is probably still a really easy 3bet.

bozlax 11-08-2007 02:46 PM

Re: 0.25-0.50 hand.....KK on 4JJ board
 
euro, as you can see from some of the responses, your poor formatting of the hand history makes it very, very hard to give you solid advice on this hand. So, we have to assume:

Preflop: UTG posted and checked, UTG+1 raised, MP1 folded, MP2 folded, MP3 cold-called, CO and BTN folded, Hero 3-bet, BB cool-called, UTG cool-called, and UTG+1 and MP3 called.

Flop (5 players, 15sb): Hero bets, BB folds, UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds.

When looked at like this, it's an easy trey. UTG is most likely trying to scare everybody off the pot with air, a mid-pp or A4. UTG+1 looks like he might be mildly retarded. If UTG caps and UTG+1 calls, the turn pot will be 13bb, and you can check-call one, check-fold to two. If it checks through the turn, bet-call the river. If an ace comes, be prepared to dump your hand.

Now, I just spent 20 minutes on what should be a 3 minute response because I had to figure out what happened in the hand on my own. Don't expect me (or anyone else) to do that for you again.

neurotiq 11-08-2007 04:20 PM

Re: 0.25-0.50 hand.....KK on 4JJ board
 
I'd reraise. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] For value and to thin the field a bit.


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