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mondonman 11-08-2007 09:47 AM

$22 twopair on turn, paired board linecheck
 
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t20/t40
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2000
UTG+1: t2000
UTG+2: t2000
MP1: t2000
MP2: t2000
MP3: t2000
CO: t2000
Button: t2000
SB: t2000
Hero: t2000

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls t40 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t60)</font>, 5 folds, CO calls t40 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t100)</font>, Button folds, SB calls t20 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t140)</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t160, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets t40</font>, CO folds, SB calls t40 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t200)</font>, Hero calls t40 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t240)</font>.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t280, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets t80</font>, SB calls t80 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t360)</font>, Hero calls t80 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t440)</font>.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t520, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t200</font>

Betting the turn despite the possibillity of JT and donkish 9x?

RexWoo 11-08-2007 09:59 AM

Re: $22 twopair on turn, paired board linecheck
 
I fold on the flop. You're going absolutly nowhere with your hand.

sean457j 11-08-2007 10:03 AM

Re: $22 twopair on turn, paired board linecheck
 
I think the UTG may check any draws in this situation. I see this quite allot with some players trying to extract what they think is maximum value by underbetting after they have made trips. I would probably stick in 250 on the turn to find out where I'm at in the hand, and then c/f the river to any big action.

Although I think RexWoo's suggestion is better.

Niggel 11-08-2007 10:03 AM

Re: $22 twopair on turn, paired board linecheck
 
I would fold the flop as well.
As played check/call turn is fine.
Then I would check it down on the river.

Pocketbear 11-08-2007 10:17 AM

Re: $22 twopair on turn, paired board linecheck
 
[ QUOTE ]
I would fold the flop as well.
As played check/call turn is fine.
Then I would check it down on the river.

[/ QUOTE ]

mondonman 11-09-2007 08:42 AM

Re: $22 twopair on turn, paired board linecheck
 
I must admit I am a bit surprised by the consensus replies.

I honestly think I am having the best hand here pretty often and I am getting 6:1 and closing the action. Granted, there are a lot of scare cards and if I face a strong bet on the turn I have to lay it down obv. I am not committed or anything with the flop call.

IŽd really like some more comments.

Rek 11-09-2007 09:05 AM

Re: $22 twopair on turn, paired board linecheck
 
I'm with you I don't understand the replies. You have caught the flop and the posters here are telling you to fold on the 1st minimum bet? Jeez how nitty.

You played OK although I think I would be re-raising the flop bet.

malnek 11-09-2007 09:05 AM

Re: $22 twopair on turn, paired board linecheck
 
folding flop is good because you end up fold turn unimproved a whole lot. esp. true in this hand bc its pretty much impossible to improve your hand.

RexWoo 11-09-2007 09:44 AM

Re: $22 twopair on turn, paired board linecheck
 
Yes, the key is that it's impossible for you to improve. Bad reverse implied odds at this maximum, so.

Rek 11-09-2007 09:54 AM

Re: $22 twopair on turn, paired board linecheck
 
[ QUOTE ]
Yes, the key is that it's impossible for you to improve. Bad reverse implied odds at this maximum, so.

[/ QUOTE ]

Improve on what? Are we just assuming the minimum bet means the villain has trips? So what would you not fold?.

And actually he did improve on the turn and another 8 would improve. Don't understand all the posts here.


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