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MrWooster 11-07-2007 08:10 PM

10NL - QQ overpair vs passive villain
 
Villain is very passive, 24/2 and very low AF.

I think this hand is fairly simple, but I the way villain flat called the flop raise really really scared me though the flop is pretty dry. What is our plan on the turn?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $45.40
BB: $8.20
Hero (UTG): $10
MP: $9.85
CO: $10
BTN: $13.10

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.50</font>, MP calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB calls $0.45, BB folds

Flop: ($1.60) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.30</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.70</font>, MP calls $1.70, SB folds

Turn: ($5.30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero...

Mr_Pathetic 11-07-2007 08:36 PM

Re: 10NL - QQ overpair vs passive villain
 
i think MP will have a big hand here unfortunately. I will bet and probably fold to a raise without at least a set. his flop play is pretty standard for someone with a set. I really do not see him raising you if you bet turn with anything but a set however I think he will call you down with top pair so I would bet turn an fold to his raise after some time and colorful language uttered.

MrWooster 11-07-2007 08:54 PM

Re: 10NL - QQ overpair vs passive villain
 
Exactly my thinking, but if I bet the turn here about $4 it commits me to calling a shove...

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $45.40
BB: $8.20
Hero (UTG): $10
MP: $9.85
CO: $10
BTN: $13.10

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.50</font>, MP calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB calls $0.45, BB folds

Flop: ($1.60) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.30</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.70</font>, MP calls $1.70, SB folds

Turn: ($5.30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.30</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $7.65 and is All-In</font>, Hero...

I am getting about 5 to 1 to call....

bsball8806 11-07-2007 08:55 PM

Re: 10NL - QQ overpair vs passive villain
 
If he raises you, you have to fold, given his low aggression.

However, if he flat calls, I probably value bet the river.

bsball8806 11-07-2007 08:57 PM

Re: 10NL - QQ overpair vs passive villain
 
This sucks....but we have such good odds I think I call and hope for A 10.

Mr_Pathetic 11-07-2007 08:57 PM

Re: 10NL - QQ overpair vs passive villain
 
but do you think he will raise you with any hand you beat? if getting five to one you got to be right 1/6 times and if he never raises with a hand you beat then you are right 0/6 thus meaning you cannot call.

MrWooster 11-07-2007 08:59 PM

Re: 10NL - QQ overpair vs passive villain
 
[ QUOTE ]
but do you think he will raise you with any hand you beat? if getting five to one you got to be right 1/6 times and if he never raises with a hand you beat then you are right 0/6 thus meaning you cannot call.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree - so does this mean that I should not be betting the turn?

Mr_Pathetic 11-07-2007 09:00 PM

Re: 10NL - QQ overpair vs passive villain
 
na keep betting turn cause he will keep calling with a T probably. you just need to differentiate his calling range with his raising range on the turn.

MrWooster 11-07-2007 09:20 PM

Re: 10NL - QQ overpair vs passive villain
 
But surly bet/folding the turn is really ugly, if he shoves I will have to call, because I will probably be good 1/6 times here....

creamfillin 11-07-2007 09:22 PM

Re: 10NL - QQ overpair vs passive villain
 
Raise smaller on the flop and continue to bet the turn.


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