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shat4brains 11-07-2007 05:36 PM

22/180 early with pair/flush draw
 
1st or 2nd hand of tourney recognise noone and have no notes so its pretty much playing against a total unknown

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t1500)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1200)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1870)
UTG+1 (t1440)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, CO calls t60, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t150) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t120</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t360</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero?

Shove?
Call?
Fold? <font color="black"> </font>

Dunkman 11-07-2007 05:42 PM

Re: 22/180 early with pair/flush draw
 
There's no other way to play this besides shoving right here.

shat4brains 11-07-2007 05:47 PM

Re: 22/180 early with pair/flush draw
 
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There's no other way to play this besides shoving right here.

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what if i didnt have the flush draw with it out of curiosity?

Dunkman 11-07-2007 06:16 PM

Re: 22/180 early with pair/flush draw
 
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There's no other way to play this besides shoving right here.

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what if i didnt have the flush draw with it out of curiosity?

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Then it would be a tough spot, I mean he could be raising with 66-99, but he could also have a flush draw with 2 overs, or have you dominated, or have an overpair (less likely.) In that spot I may just fold outright, or call planning to reassess the situation on the turn. Most 66-99 hands wouldn't bet again on the turn, and if the flush hit and villain bet then I'd have an easy fold.

magneticskull 11-07-2007 06:46 PM

Re: 22/180 early with pair/flush draw
 
You are currently behind the following hands...
AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT,55,22,AT,KT,QT,JT,T5,T2,52 (14 hands, sry, Not enough of a math guy to give you exact odds of those,suffice it to say that while the x(face)T combos are less likely, they are also VERY popular hands to play)
Given the flushy board, ANY of these will raise post flop to keep you from drawing to your flush.

Opp could also have called a 3x PF bet with Ax Spades or even Kx as low as K9 (it's early). So I would hardly call your flush draw a clean out for you.

You are beating Hands like AK/AQ/AJ/, but I hardly think &gt;AK is raising this flop.

Your initial raise was a bit of a bluff (and I liked it, although at that early level, I might raise a bit more, like 4-5x). The c-bet was also ok. But after that, I'm pretty much dumping this after he raises me without a better read. (that's why you c-bet after all, to take the hand down or find out whether opp has a better hand. He says he does...without a read, you should believe him)

That said, a push is the only way to continue if you are NOT going to fold. (I'd fold, but I see valid reasons to push, calling would be really awful, and any other raise commits you regardless).


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