All fold, 83o from SB
 

I am a beginner NLH player, trying to move to NL after a few years at limit (low stakes, overall even after rake). Looking for advice to improve my NL game.

One of my first hands at the table, no information on the players.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $50.45
BB: $31.05
UTG: $29.60
CO: $8.75
BTN: $51.15

Pre-Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero calls $0.25</font>, BB checks

83o vs random is at 38%... do I have the odds to call here?

Flop: ($1) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.50</font>, BB raises to $1, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>

What do you do here? How do you read his minraise?

, BB raises to $9, <font color="red">Hero calls $5.50</font>

At this point I put him on slowplayed overpair (35%), Top Pair with better kicker (15%), Two pairs or trips (10%), Straight draw (15%), Overcards (15%), Total Bluff (10%).
Does this breakdown make sense to you? Do I have the odds to call $5.50 in a $15 pot?

Turn: ($19) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $10</font>, BB calls $10

Good card for me, unless he has an 8 as well. I bet half pot not to give him the odds to call with an overpair or a straight draw. Correct?

River: ($39) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero checks</font>

This is a mistake I believe. I am probably pot committed, and I might be called from a few losing hands.

, BB bets $11.55 and is All-In, <font color="red">Hero calls $11.55</font>

Correct? I think I have to call the $11.55 on a $50 pot here.

Thanks for your help!

Re: All fold, 83o from SB
 

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One of my first hands at the table, no information on the players.

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Fold preflop. Even though you have 38% chance to win against random you're out of position. The times you win you'll win very small (what's going to call you down that loses to 38o?) And the times you lose will be bigger because you're out of position.

Re: All fold, 83o from SB
 

good god what a mess... where to start

preflop: fold or if you are feeling frisky.. raise (dont recommend it)

flop: bet more... most likely fold to a raise... defintely dont 3 bet and if you do fold to a 4 bet

turn: your bet is way to small... not that you should be in the pot anyway.. but it should be closer to 15

river: i guess you have to call even though he has you crushed

Re: All fold, 83o from SB
 

is this a level?

Re: All fold, 83o from SB
 

Without information i just fold preflop, but as it played, b/c flop,
turn bet 3/4 pot,
river - all-in (in your line)

Re: All fold, 83o from SB
 

I don't like limping in the SB with garbage. I'll be playing out of position the entire hand. If you do anything, Raise it up to like 3x the BB, but folding here is generally accepted.

If you do call, your flop bet is fine. When he minraises you from the BB, there are many different hands he could have, ranging from air, to a draw, to bottom pair, to a set. I don't mind your reraise, this is a battle of the blinds. However, when he raises you to 9, this is an automatic fold imo.

When the 8 comes on the turn, I think this is a mixed blessing for you. You hit your out, and make trips. However, by the way he just calls your bet after how aggressive he was on the flop, I think the 8 helped him too. He either has a higher 8, or, most likely, filled up with his 2pr or set.

If you're planning on calling his all-in, just do it yourself, his calling range is probably larger than his betting range, and if he has an overpair (doubtful), he may check behind if you check, but call if you shove.

Based on how this hand played out, I see you as being ahead somewhere between 25 and 40% here. Obviously this give you odds to call the river. However, in my opinion you should have folded the flop to his 4bet.

Re: All fold, 83o from SB
 

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83o vs random is at 38%... do I have the odds to call here?

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dear opponent, please just check the entire hand down.

Re: All fold, 83o from SB
 

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83o vs random is at 38%... do I have the odds to call here?

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dear opponent, please just check the entire hand down.

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I think I get your point [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: All fold, 83o from SB
 

I wouldn't 3-bet this flop ever. When he 4-bets you you're in big trouble.

He probably doesn't have just an 8 given his flop aggression, so it looks like he has an overpair, two pair, or a set.

He doesn't raise all in on the turn, which is a little strange since it looks like you're calling anything so maybe you're ahead of an over-pair... but I doubt it, and after your turn bet you're committed anyway so it's too late to make any meaningful decisions.

Even if the 8 on the turn gave you the best hand your play on the flop was still pretty bad in my opinion.

I would almost always fold pre-flop here. Sometimes I am up against a player who will pathologically bluff at every unraised pot and I find it profitable to call them down with any piece of the flop, but that is the exception. In general never complete with trash from the small blind and never go broke in an unraised pot with a marginal holding.

Re: All fold, 83o from SB
 

I think the best way to describe preflop is spew - it might only be 25c, but it's still spew IMO.

To my way of thinking, while you might have 38% equity against a random hand, in order to get your 25c back one of these things needs to happen regularly:

&gt; Bluff donk whiffed flop successfully
&gt; Outplay him on turn/river
&gt; Hit flop hard WHEN HE ALSO HITS flop and get paid
&gt; Not lose too much when you hit (1p say) and he has a better 1p

When you look at all those things (there are probably more too), the 38% hot/cold* preflop calc doesn't look so good.


* Is this terminology correct? What I mean is the equity against a random hand irrespective of what happens post. Clearly that 38% changes entirely once the flop comes down.