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Brimstead 11-06-2007 09:58 PM

nl50 QQ... the bets are weak, but i think im in trouble here...
 
no reads on either of my opponents

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $19.75
BTN: $16.85
SB: $14.60
BB: $27.75
UTG: $26.95
Hero (UTG+1): $49
UTG+2: $25.20
MP1: $57.85
MP2: $31.50

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, 5 folds, SB calls $3.25, BB folds, UTG calls $2.50

Flop: ($11) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $3</font>, UTG calls $3, Hero???

Its a couple of weak bets, but i think if i push then SB is calling, then UTG will probably commit with any draw and i may only be a small favourite, or perhaps im already crushed. Can i find a fold here?

MrHorace 11-07-2007 01:09 AM

Re: nl50 QQ... the bets are weak, but i think im in trouble here...
 
This is a good one. Raise to $12 and see what happens. I think folding is weak.
In looking at this further, my guess is UTG is slow-playing AA/KK. The weak raise and the continual calling makes me think this.

Chargers In 07 11-07-2007 01:12 AM

Re: nl50 QQ... the bets are weak, but i think im in trouble here...
 
More preflop. I raise flop and probably don't put in another dime.

Effen 11-07-2007 02:06 AM

Re: nl50 QQ... the bets are weak, but i think im in trouble here...
 
You have an overpair (that YOU 3bet preflop) against a halfstack and a quarter stack. The quarter stack donks about 1/4 pot(oo tarping), the halfstack flatcalls it(MEGATARP).

I couldn't possibly shove fast enough. Is this not an ideal situation?

Chargers In 07 11-07-2007 02:41 AM

Re: nl50 QQ... the bets are weak, but i think im in trouble here...
 
[ QUOTE ]
I couldn't possibly shove fast enough. Is this not an ideal situation?

[/ QUOTE ]Yeah, I missed stack sizes. Push it to the limit.

eMedia 11-07-2007 05:05 AM

Re: nl50 QQ... the bets are weak, but i think im in trouble here...
 
raise

Brimstead 11-07-2007 09:37 AM

Re: nl50 QQ... the bets are weak, but i think im in trouble here...
 
[qote]I raise flop and probably don't put in another dime.

[/ QUOTE ]

[ QUOTE ]
Raise to $12 and see what happens.

[/ QUOTE ]


surely if i raise to 12, if utg is playing they are pushing, so i'll have to call. I can't see a way to raise this flop and then fold. A shove would be better, no?

MrHorace 11-07-2007 12:30 PM

Re: nl50 QQ... the bets are weak, but i think im in trouble here...
 
Tarping??
Explain thanks

Renton 11-07-2007 12:40 PM

Re: nl50 QQ... the bets are weak, but i think im in trouble here...
 
commit and call, you don't get away from this for these stacks

Panthro 11-07-2007 12:48 PM

Re: nl50 QQ... the bets are weak, but i think im in trouble here...
 
stack off


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