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Knoooby 11-06-2007 02:35 PM

nl50 flop nuts but donīt know...
 
hi again, i really like you helping me a bit with this one.

Big-villian is nothing special 20/17 af ca. 2,0

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($50.25)
Hero ($49.25)
BB ($47.05)
UTG ($53.15)
MP ($30.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3</font>, UTG calls $3, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, BB calls $6, UTG calls $6.

Turn: ($28.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $18</font>, BB calls $18, UTG folds.

River: ($64.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $64.50

hero does what? and are the other streets ok?

ps: comleting seems a little nitty but i was not in the right mood for raising there [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

wslee00 11-06-2007 03:05 PM

Re: nl50 flop nuts but donīt know...
 
i put SB on 9T, KT, K9. All other hands he could have on the flop, he's raising pf.

tough spot. any bet you make is an all-in, yet I doubt any hands are calling that you beat. i'm inclined to say c/f, but considering how little you have behind, I probably wouldn't give it up, so I just push and pray he has KT.

Hail Eris 11-06-2007 03:09 PM

Re: nl50 flop nuts but donīt know...
 
Yeah, I would c/f here if it was deeper, but he has less than 1/3 pot left so just stick it in.

Knoooby 11-06-2007 03:12 PM

Re: nl50 flop nuts but donīt know...
 
ok i see river is tough, thank you very much.

but what about the other streets, are they ok?

Bill Smith 11-06-2007 03:12 PM

Re: nl50 flop nuts but donīt know...
 
[ QUOTE ]
...so I just push and pray he has KT.

[/ QUOTE ]

Villian isn't calling without a queen or boat. I c/c here. He might be inclined to value bet KT if you show weakness. I don't think I can let this go - too much chance you have the same hand or he caught you with KQ.

wslee00 11-06-2007 03:13 PM

Re: nl50 flop nuts but donīt know...
 
[ QUOTE ]
He might be inclined to value bet KT if you show weakness.

[/ QUOTE ]
no way is he v-betting KT in this spot, but he might call, hence I shove

well named 11-06-2007 03:14 PM

Re: nl50 flop nuts but donīt know...
 
The river doesn't make you happy, but I think in this spot you can comfortably assume that neither of you are going to fold getting 4:1 (if the other bets) so it really doesn't matter whether you c/c or just put it in. BB's turn call looks very strong, he wants UTG to call, so I think that makes it less likely that he has 2 pair or a set, since he would normally want to encourage UTG to fold a draw (having called twice on the flop), so there is a good chance you may chop, and since you expect BB to raise AQ preflop most of the time you may even see 78 here.

Knoooby 11-06-2007 03:20 PM

Re: nl50 flop nuts but donīt know...
 
i love you guys thank you, for your quick good advise i will come up with many more hands in the future thanks alot!

well named 11-06-2007 03:25 PM

Re: nl50 flop nuts but donīt know...
 
I changed my mind, if you assume he is never folding (reasonable, I think) then it's better to bet, since if you check he could check behind worse hands and bet better, which would cost you some EV. In reality this probably doesn't happen much, but from a game theoretic perspective betting should be closer to optimal if you assume both sides are not folding. (There's actually a one-full-street no-folds toy game considered in Mathematics of Poker that reaches this conclusion I believe.)

kurto 11-06-2007 03:36 PM

Re: nl50 flop nuts but donīt know...
 
your raises are too small.

your raise to $9 when there's 2 callers and already a $9 pot... too small. I'd raise to 11 or 12. If I thought they'd call, I might even push.

Then bet closer to pot on the turn.


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