5NL - 44 in BB. Check or Raise it up preflop?
 

15th hand at table. I have played against all of these villains before in some capacity whether at 2NL or 5NL. They are all pretty bad.

MP is 40/1/0.7 (200 hands)
CO is 45/4/3.4 (100 hands)
Button is 40/10/1.8 (100 hands)
SB is 20/3/3 (800 hands)

What are we doing here? Are we always raising all pocket pairs in a limped pot no matter if we're out of position? I don't like playing small PPs OOP but are we always raising against opponents who are this bad? Let me know your thoughts PF and on all streets thereafter. And by the way, just moved up from $2NL to $5NL. So I really appreciate all the help everyone has given me in this forum.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.10 BB (5 handed) Ultimate Bet Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($9.90)
Hero ($10.85)
UTG ($9)
MP ($8.38)
Button ($7.93)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks.

Turn: ($0.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.15</font>, UTG calls $0.15, MP calls $0.15.

River: ($0.80) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $0.1</font>, Hero folds, UTG calls $0.10.

Final Pot: $1

Re: 5NL - 44 in BB. Check or Raise it up preflop?
 

raiseraiseraiseraiseraiseraise all day immediately

you shouldnt have to think about raising any pp from any position

Re: 5NL - 44 in BB. Check or Raise it up preflop?
 

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raiseraiseraiseraiseraiseraise all day immediately

you shouldnt have to think about raising any pp from any position

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look at these guys stats though, 3 of them are 40 VPIP. They're gonna call your raise all day long. Then you're OOP with a ton of overs on the flop and 3 people in the hand. I think it's burning money to say always raise. At least when you're playing with these players.

Re: 5NL - 44 in BB. Check or Raise it up preflop?
 

i wouldnt want to put $ in with the best hand either

Re: 5NL - 44 in BB. Check or Raise it up preflop?
 

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i wouldnt want to put $ in with the best hand either

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are you leveling me? pokerstove it for 44 PF against 3 random hands and some random flop and see how often we'll be ahead. Just to clarify I'm saying against THESE players you're better checking 44 from the BB pf. These guys play half their hands!

Re: 5NL - 44 in BB. Check or Raise it up preflop?
 

you take control of the hand

youll usually take it down with a c-bet

you most likely have the best hand preflop

making the pot bigger for when you hit your set

im always raising here

Re: 5NL - 44 in BB. Check or Raise it up preflop?
 

I wouldnt raise this from BB vs 2 loose villains who will probably call it.

Do not take a stab at this pot teh board is too coordinated. Shut down after the flop is dealt

Re: 5NL - 44 in BB. Check or Raise it up preflop?
 

Raising a small pair OOP against two 40 vpip stations seems like a leak to me.

Re: 5NL - 44 in BB. Check or Raise it up preflop?
 

then you just want us to limp any smaller pair if theres any loose player in?

Re: 5NL - 44 in BB. Check or Raise it up preflop?
 

This thread has me so confused. Very hard to tell if the responses are serious or not.

Anyways, I am not raising this out of BB against two loose passive types who will not fold preflop and not fold on boards where they caught a piece.

Also, just check it down. This board is to ugly to try and accomplish anything by betting.