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Troll_Inc 11-04-2007 10:05 AM

What to do on the turn and river?
 
Villain looks familiar but I dont have any notes.

PokerStars ($0.50/$1.00)

Seat 2: falcon091480 ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: abbas_ams ($45 in chips)
Seat 4: RomanGlad ($36.80 in chips)
Seat 5: illdonk ($100 in chips)
Seat 6: Trolleur ($100 in chips)

RomanGlad: posts small blind $0.50
illdonk: posts big blind $1
falcon091480: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Trolleur [K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Trolleur: calls $1
falcon091480: checks
abbas_ams: calls $1
RomanGlad: calls $0.50
illdonk: checks

*** FLOP *** [2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
RomanGlad: checks
illdonk: checks
Trolleur: bets $4.75
falcon091480: folds
abbas_ams: calls $4.75
RomanGlad: folds
illdonk: folds

*** TURN *** [A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Trolleur: checks
abbas_ams: bets $7
Trolleur: calls $7

*** RIVER *** [Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
Trolleur: checks
abbas_ams: checks

wazz 11-04-2007 10:46 AM

Re: What to do on the turn and river?
 
You could come up with good arguments for leading, check-calling and check-raising. Against an unknown, I couldn't really say exactly which line is best as long as you don't check-fold. Your turn play kinda defines your river play as well. If he does have a flush, it's more likely to be Q or J high, given the flop, so I think you're best off check-calling twice.

ChuckyB 11-04-2007 02:57 PM

Re: What to do on the turn and river?
 
I think you lead the turn. Generally a villain will tell you if you're beat.

Troll_Inc 11-04-2007 03:00 PM

Re: What to do on the turn and river?
 
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I think you lead the turn. Generally a villain will tell you if you're beat.

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Will this make me the most money?

I'm more interested in maximizing EV, than finding out if I am beat.

sc000t 11-04-2007 03:58 PM

Re: What to do on the turn and river?
 
I'd usually lead the turn and call a reraise since hes so short. If we'd been deeper, I wouldn't mind a b/f against an unknown with no notes.

I don't think your line is bad at all tho. After you check the turn, I think calling and checking the river is fine.

ChuckyB 11-04-2007 05:05 PM

Re: What to do on the turn and river?
 
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I think you lead the turn. Generally a villain will tell you if you're beat.

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Will this make me the most money?

I'm more interested in maximizing EV, than finding out if I am beat.

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FWIW I'm on a streak of folks hitting horrible suckouts against me so I'm in a very protectionist mode right now.

With no real reads I also like to think about minimizing my losses as well. Especially with non-nut hands OOP. I hate PLO out of position. Hate hate hate!

As I look again at the OP, ch/c on the turn gives you a chance to evaluate his bet. $7 into a $14 pot isn't strong...probably. The problem is, he could easily be doing that with the nuts or second-nuts (ahead of your third nuts)...he might be too scared to fire full pot with the nuts, afraid of a boat re-draw. Who knows?

Instead of having to make a decision against an unknown, I like taking down the $15 or getting the hell out of the way in a situation like this.

AlexKP 11-04-2007 05:38 PM

Re: What to do on the turn and river?
 
raise PF EVERYTIME!!

Check turn, VB/BB 7$ on river... Fold to raise

TheBjerre 11-04-2007 08:44 PM

Re: What to do on the turn and river?
 
like KP raise FP..

I like to bet turn.. between 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot.. If he raise i fold.. If villian calls.. I mini block bet river and fold to a raise..

/DB

wazz 11-04-2007 09:15 PM

Re: What to do on the turn and river?
 
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like KP raise FP..

I like to bet turn.. between 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot.. If he raise i fold.. If villian calls.. I play bad on the river

/DB

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