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Hebel 11-02-2007 11:39 AM

10 nl turn semibluff crai
 
villain is a nit, 18/7/.96

Hes a reg who i believe can lay down hands like jx in this spot

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($16.50)
Hero ($9.65)
BB ($12.45)
UTG ($1.85)
MP ($4.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.30) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $1.05</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $0.80.

Turn: ($2.40) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $2.4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8.5 (All-In)

well named 11-02-2007 12:00 PM

Re: 10 nl turn semibluff crai
 
He may be able to fold Jx, but is Jx really a big part of his range after raising the flop and making a pot sized bet on that turn? With his action it really looks like he has a hand that he doesn't mind getting the money in with, so I doubt your raise has too much fold equity. He does not raise much preflop so he can easily be showing up here with AJ, a set, Ax of spades, A5, A6, and other hands. I don't think there's nearly enough hands in his range that fold to your shove getting 2:1 to make your play +EV, and your draw is not that strong. I fold to his turn bet here.

I do like taking a stab at this pot on the flop, but my normal line is to bet a little less on the flop in unraised multi-way pots, both with air and with pairs/draws. A half-pot bet here is in my opinion just as good as a pot-sized bet, and it makes it cheaper when you do get raised.

retep 11-02-2007 12:15 PM

Re: 10 nl turn semibluff crai
 
for some reason the only J i can see a nit having here is AJ.

I also don't see a nit betting QJ, or KJ on the turn.

I also dont think that if villain had AJ he would riase the flop. I mean he is .96. To me that screams passivity and his hand is more often a set or 2pair that will not fold to this.

Sarge85 11-02-2007 12:26 PM

Re: 10 nl turn semibluff crai
 
Doing this in an unraised pot seems really strange to me. I mean he could have anything.

Raise PF.

If you think he can lay down Jx, I'd play back on the flop.

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kurto 11-02-2007 12:26 PM

Re: 10 nl turn semibluff crai
 
at $10 tables, you're better served playing ABC poker then trying to figure who you can push off their hands. Honestly, you can't find a table full of idiots who you can valuebet to death?

well named 11-02-2007 12:57 PM

Re: 10 nl turn semibluff crai
 
If villain was 20/18 then his line might be strange in an unraised pot since he would have raised most of the strong holdings preflop, but he's only raising 7% of his hands, so Axs and two pair hands with an ace are really quite reasonable for him to have here, as is 55 or 66.

If he was more aggressive post-flop re-raising the flop might be a good play to get the most equity out of our draw, but I think it's probably marginal here. It might still be better than calling though. The problem is I think the range of top pair holdings that he raises with is limited to those where you have to discount a king as an out, at least slightly. Add to this the times he has the nut flush draw, and the times when you are drawing only to your flush outs and it seems like a bad spot to play for stacks against this villain. I'd be more inclined to play this fast if I had ATs. It's a close spot though, the flop decision is tough. Having called the flop though, I think the turn is a pretty clear fold.

Red Shell 11-02-2007 01:07 PM

Re: 10 nl turn semibluff crai
 
I dont get this. Why would someone with no aggression raise the flop with a J here. Seems like a massive leak to me.

ajmargarine 11-02-2007 01:09 PM

Re: 10 nl turn semibluff crai
 
Flop line is good

Just c/f the turn. Ya, he might have Jx, but he's bb in a limped pot so that x might be a 5 or 6. He doesn't seem too concerned about that Ace when he bets pot there which should scare some weakish hands.

thoman8r 11-02-2007 01:17 PM

Re: 10 nl turn semibluff crai
 
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villain is a nit,


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Exactly so why are you semi-bluff shoving against him when he has shown uncharacteristic aggression on 2 streets?

Hebel 11-02-2007 05:28 PM

Re: 10 nl turn semibluff crai
 
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villain is a nit,


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Exactly so why are you semi-bluff shoving against him when he has shown uncharacteristic aggression on 2 streets?

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Because I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] spewing? I watch too much poker on tv...


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