3/6 PLO - 2nd nut flush deep vs. C/R on turn
 

PLO 3-6 4-handed

Villain: $1700
Hero $1050

Villain despises me for "hit/running" him for $200 at 5/10 PLO HU once, when I actually played for about 20-25 min. after I was up on him. He's very aggro postflop when raising preflop but usually slows down with nothing on flop/turn. His hand selection is ok, he doesn't go nuts with garbage or anything. I hate stacking off here drawing dead but I don't play this deep/high ever so it's an uncommon spot for me. Is this Q-high/bluff enough to shove here ever?

2 folds, Villain raises to $12, Hero calls with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Flop T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain bets $18, Hero raises to $60, Villain calls.

Turn 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Villain checks, Hero bets $120, Villain raises to $440, Hero?

Re: 3/6 PLO - 2nd nut flush deep vs. C/R on turn
 

He sounds like he knows what he's doing. Which makes his turn c/r fairly confusing. It depends a lot on how he views you. The fact that there's a low gutshot out there on the flop that goes with the ace-high flush draw makes it more plausible that he has it, but at the same time he could easily have A35 with the bare ace of spades. Some people never check-raise the turn without the nuts. This spot is too player-dependent - being there, in your shoes, makes the question answerable, as it stands it seems too close to me either way. If I decide to play (I generally do here but I don't know if it's the right decision), I don't shove, I just call with the plan of calling any river shove/shoving if checked to (assuming board doesn't pair).

Re: 3/6 PLO - 2nd nut flush deep vs. C/R on turn
 

How bad is calling here with the intention of folding to a decent sized river bet?

Re: 3/6 PLO - 2nd nut flush deep vs. C/R on turn
 

I had another hand with him where he potted preflop in CO, and I made it $54 with AQQJ, he called, flop came Jack-high two spades, he check/called a $80 bet, we both checked a Queen of spades turn, river was a blank and he bet 1/2 pot, I made a fairly bad call and he showed the nut flush if that counts for anything.

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How bad is calling here with the intention of folding to a decent sized river bet?

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It's reasonably bad, think about it this way: if he is making the bare ace blush, he is getting maximum value for it, and you are playing exactly how he wants you to. Most good thinking villains in this game will follow up their bluff on the river, especially OOP here, so you either call with the intention of calling the river (if you think he has a set here, you don't want to give him a free card so you would normally shove) or believe him and give up to his turn pot c/r.

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I had another hand with him where he potted preflop in CO, and I made it $54 with AQQJ, he called, flop came Jack-high two spades, he check/called a $80 bet, we both checked a Queen of spades turn, river was a blank and he bet 1/2 pot, I made a fairly bad call and he showed the nut flush if that counts for anything.

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That makes it much closer to a fold, but I'd be worried that villain was just trying to play off his image here and might make a '[censored] you' call.

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It kinda sucks because I can't remember him showing any big bluffs when we played HU at 5/10 last month. Also, I feel like I haven't seen the naked Ace bluff in ages, but that's mostly because I have little confidence in ever getting most of my opponents to fold inferior flushes no matter what the board/action is at 1/2 or higher

Re: 3/6 PLO - 2nd nut flush deep vs. C/R on turn
 

Here is something really interesting, I think.


If he knows that you know that he knows people never fold flushes, does he bluff more or less?

Re: 3/6 PLO - 2nd nut flush deep vs. C/R on turn
 

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Here is something really interesting, I think.


If he knows that you know that he knows people never fold flushes, does he bluff more or less?

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I've never seen him play lower than 5/10 HU PLO (and I'm the only one I've seen him play in 5 months), so I doubt he's leveling to this extent.

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if you stay in the best line is to call planning to call the river, and consider turning your hand into a bluff if the board pairs. but honestly i think this is usually a fold, since most people don't bet/call the flop oop with a lot of loan ace or non-nut drawing hands, especially on a low board like that. so basically the only times you have a chance to be good are when he was floating your flop raise pretty light, or when he's taking a reasonably weird line with a set. the hand that makes the most sense is the nut draw, so unless you have reason to believe that he would do something fancy here you should probably let it go.