2 hands w/ top top. Value town or value stack?
 

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HAND #1
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The btn limper is a pretty big fish. Vil is 23/19/3 with aggression frequencies across the board of 40% so not too aggressive.


Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $702.10
CO: $602
BTN: $491.10
Hero (SB): $396
BB: $454

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, BTN calls $4, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, BB calls $18, BTN folds

Flop: ($48) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $32</font>, BB calls $32

Turn: ($112) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $72</font>, BB calls $72

River: ($256) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $270 and is All-In</font>

<font color="blue">Standard value town? Guy isn't aggressive enough to bluff a missed flush draw on the river very often so don't really like a c/call</font>



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HAND #2
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Vil in the hand is a fish playing 38/10/1 over a decent data mined sample.


Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $181.27
Hero (CO): $1,026.30
BTN: $325.26
SB: $399.90
BB: $249.22
UTG: $656.80

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $10

Flop: ($30) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $18</font>, Hero calls $18

Turn: ($66) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $52</font>, BB calls $52

River: ($170) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $166 putting the vil ai</font>

Re: 2 hands w/ top top. Value town or value stack?
 

#1 more on the turn, but other than that super-standard

#2 too thin i think

Re: 2 hands w/ top top. Value town or value stack?
 

1 - looks good
2 - is thin, but if you think he bets/raises w/7 at some point then i suppose its good. these 38/10 donks min raise two pair on flop or something don't they?

OP is a big donk anyway

Re: 2 hands w/ top top. Value town or value stack?
 

Yea more on turn in hand 2 for sure....River looks good.

hand 2 is super villain dependent, and certainly can be good vs some, but I'd only shove if I knew he was a huge station. I kinda like a small bet here that he will feel more inclined to pay off with 1 pr, like $70ish, unless you're fairly sure he'll tank and call with J9 or w/e.

Re: 2 hands w/ top top. Value town or value stack?
 

1 is alright, but perhaps a little too thin vs certain regs unless you have a pretty aggro image and they can make hero calls.

2 I hate, he can really easily play several better hands like this and you end up valuetowning your self. I check the river for sure.

Re: 2 hands w/ top top. Value town or value stack?
 

i like both

Re: 2 hands w/ top top. Value town or value stack?
 

both look fine to me, but i valuestack myself a lot

Re: 2 hands w/ top top. Value town or value stack?
 

1 is good.

i think 2 is a bluff but maybe he'll fold a better hand.

Re: 2 hands w/ top top. Value town or value stack?
 

1 is fine, more on the turn obv

2 he has to be a complete and utter station

Re: 2 hands w/ top top. Value town or value stack?
 

hand 2. why not check turn and river?