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HermannTL 11-01-2007 08:57 PM

99 hits turn straight
 
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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (2 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero...

SB 34/2.9/1.25 (~30 hands), saw him play TT from LP calling all streets UI on 9332Q.

BB 11/5.6/? (~15 hands), saw KQo in EP call flop &amp; raise turn on T644

UTG+1 63/12.5 (~20 hands) twice saw him bet TPNK on flop&amp;turn

First of all, I should have bet the flop with 2nd pair &amp; gutshot. Then the straight comes in on the turn and to me a raise seems obvious. What do you think?

KyndGroove 11-01-2007 09:00 PM

Re: 99 hits turn straight
 
Raise PF
Bet flop
Raise turn

Clinger 11-01-2007 09:08 PM

Re: 99 hits turn straight
 
Given that you limped preflop and didn't bet the flop, I think I'd just call the turn. The pot is small, so giving a cheap card doesn't cost you very much. And I think you would be able to make more off of a couple overcalls than a raise (at .10/.20).

As far as the river goes, I'd re-evaluate depending on the action.

But, I also would have raised preflop and bet the flop (like you said). And if we had made the pot bigger, I'd be much less inclined to attract overcalls, and I would go ahead and raise the turn.

Fadook 11-01-2007 09:20 PM

Re: 99 hits turn straight
 
Raise preflop as standard.
Bet the flop regardless.
Raise the turn for value. With just one card to come, there's every chance SB and BB wouldn't call for one bet, so you're probably better off not slowplaying.

HermannTL 11-01-2007 11:01 PM

Re: 99 hits turn straight
 
We're unanimous on a flop bet and nearly so on a turn raise. Preflop I call with 99 in early and middle positions, and raise first-in late. That's a marginal case of ITH vs SSHE. I'm becoming more inclined to raise...must be from hanging out around here!

Eeegah 11-01-2007 11:58 PM

Re: 99 hits turn straight
 
Well I have an opinion.

OziBattler 11-02-2007 01:10 AM

Re: 99 hits turn straight
 
Herman, this is a a preflop raise but I want you to tell us WHY people are saying it is a raise. Be as detailed as you can.......hopefully youll read this before some partypooper puts on their smartypants and answers it for you.

neurotiq 11-02-2007 01:49 AM

Re: 99 hits turn straight
 
I'd raise preflop. I'd also raise that turn. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

knockonwood 11-02-2007 01:53 AM

Re: 99 hits turn straight
 
[ QUOTE ]
Raise PF
Bet flop
Raise turn

[/ QUOTE ]

Mitke 11-02-2007 05:14 AM

Re: 99 hits turn straight
 
* grunch *
EDIT:
re: Ozibattler - Below is some partypooper stuff about preflop in white:
[partypooper]
<font color="white">Raise preflop to isolate loose limper in EP and to gain initiative and maybe even some fold equity although this is not so likely as your villain was willing to openlimp(!) in EP.</font>
[/partypooper]

Like you said, you should bet the flop in position. You might be ahead, in equity and currently. You are in position so you might get a free card vs. these passive(?) villains.

The pot is small so slowplaying wouldn't be terrible in that sense as you also have "blockers" for the straight draws -&gt; villains probably overestimate their outs.

With 3 villains in all and the FD there I still think I raise this.

I wouldn't hate a call to lure some suckers with bottom pairs or something in this small pot.

Then again you could get great action from two pairs and FDs and SDs so raise.

EDIT: the success of slowplaying is indeed smaller because of the small pot size. They are not so likely to call. So, foot on the gas and hope Villain has a good hand.


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