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Proofrock 11-01-2007 04:50 PM

2/4: Can he really bluff c/minraise the turn?
 
Villain in this hand is 53/12.5/2 over a small sample of 32 hands. No specific read yet other than he seems bad.

After he c/minraised the turn he typed "ill show" in the chatbox.

I assume the turn bet is standard, but if not please explain why. What's your play on the turn now that he's c/minraised? If you call, what's your plan if he shoves the following rivers:
(a) a diamond?
(b) a king?
(c) a 5 or T?
(d) anything else?

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $351.40
SB: $406.75
BB: $465.90
UTG: $509.20
Hero (UTG+1): $433
MP1: $1,450.95
MP2: $291.35
CO: $90.50

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $15</font>, MP1 calls $15, 4 folds, BB calls $11

Flop: ($47) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $35</font>, MP1 folds, BB calls $35

Turn: ($117) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $70</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $140</font>, Hero ...

SammyG-SD 11-01-2007 05:23 PM

Re: 2/4: Can he really bluff c/minraise the turn?
 
I am not buying he has a boat maybe a strong combo draw or two pair, and I wouldn't fold to a minraise with aces up. I would call here, and c/c the river unles it was a king.

NL__Fool 11-01-2007 05:49 PM

Re: 2/4: Can he really bluff c/minraise the turn?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I am not buying he has a boat maybe a strong combo draw or two pair, and I wouldn't fold to a minraise with aces up. I would call here, and c/c the river unles it was a king.

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I don't like this line at all If hero calls the turn here the pot is at almost $400. I can see villain shoving the river here a lot if hero calls this Check raise. Are you going stack off here in a non K falls?

I would fold to the check raise and move on, a guy with stats like you said probbaly peels the flop with any piece, so it is possible he has a 9

Effen 11-01-2007 05:53 PM

Re: 2/4: Can he really bluff c/minraise the turn?
 
"Ill show" means he has the goods, or thinks he does at least. Like 99.99999999%.

Proofrock 11-01-2007 06:01 PM

Re: 2/4: Can he really bluff c/minraise the turn?
 
[ QUOTE ]
"Ill show" means he has the goods, or thinks he does at least. Like 99.99999999%.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's a lot of 9s. How often does he think a king is the nuts here?

Split Suit 11-01-2007 06:16 PM

Re: 2/4: Can he really bluff c/minraise the turn?
 
[ QUOTE ]
"Ill show" means he has the goods, or thinks he does at least. Like 99.99999999%.

[/ QUOTE ]

rly? whenever i hear this live it means "im weak, plz fold"

GrandMelon 11-01-2007 06:26 PM

Re: 2/4: Can he really bluff c/minraise the turn?
 
I shove here

Effen 11-01-2007 06:37 PM

Re: 2/4: Can he really bluff c/minraise the turn?
 
Online I can't ever think of a time it was a bluff though I can think of several times I was shown monsters. I stand by it. Plus he's what a 55/12? every 9 down to 95s is in his range.

But we have AA on a paired board, lol gogogogo. I'd shove but expect to get beat, if that makes sense. I can't ever take a 'move' by a 50/10 seriously.

SgtJake 11-01-2007 06:55 PM

Re: 2/4: Can he really bluff c/minraise the turn?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I shove here

[/ QUOTE ]

Proofrock 11-01-2007 06:56 PM

Re: 2/4: Can he really bluff c/minraise the turn?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I shove here

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Against what range is shoving best?


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