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911Operator 10-30-2007 03:42 PM

100NL KK I don\'t beat anything here do I?
 
No reads on villain but given the fact we are deep, the board texture and the fact that I raised UTG Is a fold here to nitty?

Is he really going to fire a 2nd barrell on flush draw? He might have a hand like KJ, KQ but isn't 2 pair or a straight far more likely?

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $57.55
BTN: $100.85
SB: $182.55
BB: $21.50
Hero (UTG): $145.95
UTG+1: $99.35
MP1: $51.35
MP2: $98.50

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, 5 folds, SB calls $3.50, BB folds

Flop: ($9) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $20</font>, Hero calls $13

Turn: ($49) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $31</font>, Hero folds

Results: $49 Pot ($2.40 Rake)
SB mucked and WON $46.60 (+$22.60 NET)

Javanewt 10-30-2007 04:37 PM

Re: KK I don\'t beat anything here do I?
 
Wow, nice fold. Don't know if I could have made it, but that's why I'm not very good.

However, you just called the flop re-raise. If he is semi-bluffing, he probably knows a check on the turn is too passive, espcially with a card like 6h. If I were villain, I'd do the same thing.

What reads might villain have on you?

911Operator 10-30-2007 04:45 PM

Re: KK I don\'t beat anything here do I?
 
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What reads might villain have on you?

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I have no idea if he's been paying attenton. I play 15/11 so my UTG raising range is pretty tight. I have 0 hands on him

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If he is semi-bluffing

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A flop semi bluff is pretty ballsy here given the board texture and my UTG pf raising range.

To continue semi bluffing on the turn is even more ballsy

Javanewt 10-30-2007 04:48 PM

Re: KK I don\'t beat anything here do I?
 
Very ballsy [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] The only semi-bluff I can see this with is AXc. It's a good fold.

What would you have done had villain checked turn?

Johnes Benjamin 10-30-2007 04:48 PM

Re: KK I don\'t beat anything here do I?
 
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A flop semi bluff is pretty ballsy here given the board texture and my UTG pf raising range.

To continue semi bluffing on the turn is even more ballsy

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Very true. You gots ta give this one up

NL__Fool 10-30-2007 04:49 PM

Re: KK I don\'t beat anything here do I?
 
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To continue semi bluffing on the turn is even more ballsy



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I agree, I think you see 2 pair or a straight here a lot

Javanewt 10-30-2007 04:51 PM

Re: KK I don\'t beat anything here do I?
 
For fear my edit was missed:

What would you have done had villain checked turn? (I know would have checked behind.)

PLAYOFFS 10-30-2007 04:52 PM

Re: KK I don\'t beat anything here do I?
 
I don't know why you call that reraise on the flop if you're going to fold on the turn...Did you not think the Villain was going to bet? You have a sd and could possibly win with pairing the board. I'm not saying that it's a bad fold, but I don't understand why you would call that flop bet and then procede to fold the turn bet.

SMACK BOOTY 10-30-2007 05:39 PM

Re: KK I don\'t beat anything here do I?
 
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I don't know why you call that reraise on the flop if you're going to fold on the turn...Did you not think the Villain was going to bet?

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A very valid point. Calling the flop bet here is a knee jerk reaction many of us would make w/ KK, but is it the right move? I think we are getting 3:1 and the only hand we are ahead of here is AQ.

SABR42 10-30-2007 05:48 PM

Re: KK I don\'t beat anything here do I?
 
I check behind on this flop sometimes.

Not results oriented.


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