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mattiesmat 10-30-2007 11:55 AM

$16 - Set, too scared?
 
Bet turn?
Other lines ok?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) by Hand Converter CG

Button (t259)
SB (t2546)
BB (t2150)
UTG (t1835)
Hero (t1470)
MP1 (t265)
MP2 (t1470)
CO (t3505)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, Hero calls t30, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t90</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, UTG calls t60, Hero calls t60.

Flop: (t315) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t300</font>, MP1 calls t175 (All-In), UTG calls t300.

Turn: (t1090) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (t1090) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t500</font>

RexWoo 10-30-2007 12:12 PM

Re: $16 - Set, too scared?
 
It looks good to me.

The FD is certainly part of UTG's range on the flop so I like the check on the turn and the value bet on the river.

Crash0veride 10-30-2007 12:17 PM

Re: $16 - Set, too scared?
 
standard....he never checks flush on river so we certainly have the best hand.

AMT 10-30-2007 12:22 PM

Re: $16 - Set, too scared?
 
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It looks good to me.

The FD is certainly part of UTG's range on the flop so I like the check on the turn and the value bet on the river.

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that doesnt necessarily mean its a big enough a part of his range that checking&gt;betting the turn. I'd bet the turn a lot here because a ton of flop calling ranges call another turn bet and rarely bluff when you lead a flush card again if they dont have it to these bet sizes, not to mention when you are up against a flush you still have a good amount of equity in this pot to fill up.

If its against a player where you think either a) the flush is a reasonable part of his range (i dont think its a huge part here, it is in his range though) or b) youre only going to get one street of value from him based on his entire range, then checking becomes a lot easier and more clear on the turn.

ImNotSoGood 10-30-2007 12:57 PM

Re: $16 - Set, too scared?
 
With the pot = your stack on the turn, I like to just get it in here, except I wouldn't shove the turn, I'd bet like 750 since this is a $16 sng, in order not to scare him away w/ weaker hands.

If the river blanks out, and he shoves, you're not going anywhere, so I feel like you will be getting stacked by a flush, so you may aswell get $ in on the turn since he may have a pair and a FD, Straight draw+flush draw on turn, as well as other weaker made hands that he's gonna go with on the turn.

Oh, and as played bet more on the river, 750-800, or a shove against the right opponent.

sixfour 10-30-2007 01:26 PM

Re: $16 - Set, too scared?
 
I think we always have to bet the turn here in case villain has a random spade, letting him hit via a free card sucks. The pot is big enough that I'd just stick it in there

crystalallen 10-30-2007 01:50 PM

Re: $16 - Set, too scared?
 
Would anyone just check it down because of the all-in? Or is that not an issue?

ADLinden 10-30-2007 02:16 PM

Re: $16 - Set, too scared?
 
thats not an issue, i think i just push turn, if he has a flush were probably going broke anyways...

Scotty_12 10-30-2007 02:16 PM

Re: $16 - Set, too scared?
 
I think you always have to bet the turn here as well, the pot is too big and if he just has a naked spade and then a fourth rolls off, that is not the kind of scenario that makes you happy. As stated, you have outs if he is already there.

Re: checking it down - that is only an issue when dictated by the pay structure (on the bubble, 3 handed)

kylephilly 10-30-2007 05:17 PM

Re: $16 - Set, too scared?
 
I bet turn, probably call shove.


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