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Absolution 10-24-2007 03:15 PM

To cold call or raise?
 
MP is a decent LAG (say 45/25/3). The rest of the players are loose and generally passive players.

Hero has KQo in the CO.

UTG limps, MP raises, Hero?

Oink 10-24-2007 03:38 PM

Re: To cold call or raise?
 
easy 3-ball

Absolution 10-24-2007 03:43 PM

Re: To cold call or raise?
 
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easy 3-ball

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Care to expand on that?

Oink 10-24-2007 03:50 PM

Re: To cold call or raise?
 
your hand beats there range and you dont mind people folding behind you. If people call behind you you will have a nice eq edge and often position

Absolution 10-24-2007 03:52 PM

Re: To cold call or raise?
 
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your hand beats there range and you dont mind people folding behind you. If people call behind you you will have a nice eq edge and often position

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I don't think your equity is that great with KQo:

5,486,222,016 games 0.005 secs 1,097,244,403,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.358% 49.06% 02.29% 2691743556 125868018.00 { 55+, A4s+, K7s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, A7o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 48.642% 46.35% 02.29% 2542742424 125868018.00 { KQo }

I would assume that most are going to fold for 3 here, but there is a good chance they would call for 2 (the BB for sure.)

mattnxtc 10-24-2007 03:53 PM

Re: To cold call or raise?
 
Oink

So basically you are stoving 25% range and seeing if you have what % equity to 3ball?

StrictlyStrategy 10-24-2007 03:54 PM

Re: To cold call or raise?
 
A 45/25 is opening with any pocket pair and I think more hands than this.

This is like a snap 3bet and you feel good about it.

yourface 10-24-2007 04:01 PM

Re: To cold call or raise?
 
fist pump 3bet or double fist pump 3bet?

Absolution 10-24-2007 04:03 PM

Re: To cold call or raise?
 
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A 45/25 is opening with any pocket pair and I think more hands than this.

This is like a snap 3bet and you feel good about it.

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Adding more hands here isn't going to improve your equity much because you're going to be adding aces and the other pp as well as K9o, Q9o and Q8s. The thing about isolating a thinking, overaggressive LAG, with a hand that has marginal showdown value against his range, is that he's going to make it difficult for you heads up post-flop if you miss and he misses. If you cold-call you invite other players in, which keeps him more honest and adds some dead money to the pot. You also have good relative position when he auto continuation bets and you hit the flop. If you have a tight image however, then this could be a good raise because he'll fold some A high and pairs on scary boards.

Oink 10-24-2007 04:14 PM

Re: To cold call or raise?
 
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your hand beats there range and you dont mind people folding behind you. If people call behind you you will have a nice eq edge and often position

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I don't think your equity is that great with KQo:

5,486,222,016 games 0.005 secs 1,097,244,403,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.358% 49.06% 02.29% 2691743556 125868018.00 { 55+, A4s+, K7s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, A7o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 48.642% 46.35% 02.29% 2542742424 125868018.00 { KQo }

I would assume that most are going to fold for 3 here, but there is a good chance they would call for 2 (the BB for sure.)

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That is if you get it HU. If you get it HU the pot will be 8 SB (say the small blind pays the rake) where you paid 3 SB. So if you get it HU against that range you just made a little less than 1 SB.

This will be even better if the limper calls!


Now add the SB's you will win because you have position, implied FE and a skill edge postflop.


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