KK 3way I check monotone flop in LP
 

Ultimate Bet - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Didn't have much of a read on either blind except that they both call too much preflop. Neither has shown a lot of postflop aggression.

SB: $13.55
BB: $11.36
UTG: $9.62
Hero (CO): $9.29
BTN: $16.14

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.35</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.20</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $1.15, BB calls $1.10, UTG folds

Flop: ($3.95) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.95) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $3.95</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $8.09</font>, SB calls $4.14

River: ($20.13) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $20.13 ($1 Rake)

I didn't think a bet on the flop would fold out any decent hearts or Qx hand here and really don't want to get raised, so I wait for a safe turn (non-Ace, non heart) to make my move. Good, Bad, Awful?

Re: KK 3way I check monotone flop in LP
 

I think the flop check is bad/awful because even if it does not fold out a heart, you are ahead of one heart right now and so a call is not a bad thing.

Also, by checking you are giving infinite odds for someone with any heart to hit their flush.

Why are you afraid of being raised?

Re: KK 3way I check monotone flop in LP
 

Mainly because once I c-bet, if raised I have so much invested I think I have to call. But I guess that doesn't make much sense since I plan on going all-in on a safe turn anyway. Only difference is they have one less street to draw on.

Re: KK 3way I check monotone flop in LP
 

So are you shoving any non-heart turn?

Why not shove flop if raised, especially since you'll be called by the draws you are ahead of. If you wait for turn to hit, you are less likely to get called by the lone heart (if you shove non heart), and when the turn falls heart you either arent shoving or are shoving -EV b/c of how often they have the flush.

Re: KK 3way I check monotone flop in LP
 

I dont mind it as you really do not want to get raised on the flop, but the check can definitely get a Q or strong heart to take a line like this.

Re: KK 3way I check monotone flop in LP
 

i think i bet this flop always and call a shove. you are folding all heart turns right. the pot is huge bet and get it all in.

Re: KK 3way I check monotone flop in LP
 

No likie. Bet the flop, call a shove, watch the moron have like Qx or a nekked heart, profit.

Re: KK 3way I check monotone flop in LP
 

Bet/call shove on the flop.